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  • Dog washed in feed bucket question

    I have some little dogs, and I have a 6-gal Fortiflex feed tub, like this one,

    that I use to help when washing them, using dog shampoo with all the included bug killers.

    It occurred to me that I might need to know for later - If I need to use this tub for feeding, can I? Of course I would clean it as well as I can, but has it been permanently banned now for use as a feeder for horses due to the dog shampoo/bug killers?

    Just want to know, in case I need the info later.
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  • #2
    What’s the active ingredients in the shampoo?
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    • Original Poster

      I usually use a Zodiac product for the dogs. Right now it's the Oatmeal Conditioning Shampoo for Dogs and Puppies. Active Ingredients:

      (S)-Methoprene..............(CAS #65733-16-6).....0.10%
      Pyrethrins.......................(CAS #8003-34-7).......0.15%
      Piperonyl Butoxide.........(CAS #51-03-6)...........1.50%
      Other Ingredients....................................... .......98.25%
      .................................................. .....................100.00%
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      • #4
        Eh. While the risk is probably small, I'd not use that bucket for feeding horses.

        If you were using baby shampoo, or Dawn, or something that's just a shampoo, fine. But with those other ingredients? Better safe than sorry.


        • #5
          Yeah, I'd worry about the Pyrethrins seeping into the plastic and not washing out entirely. Just use a sharpie and label the bucket "Doggie Baths only".
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          • #6
            I'd wash it well and use it for feed. I wouldn't use it for water.


            • #7
              I don't know that I'd worry a whole lot, there's going to be a lot of ingestion of those same chemicals (other than the methoprene, which is an IGR with extremely low toxicity profile for mammals) when horses groom themselves and each other after use of a typical pyrethrin based fly spray. Probably to a greater extent than would happen with any minor residue in a well-cleaned bucket. Probably best to avoid it, though, on the “excess of caution” philosophy.

              One thing I would be very concerned about is using these products in a way that they wold be introduced into the local waterways (and even just local damp habitat) rather than a proper sewer system. Pouring the water down a proper drain (toilet, bathtub), is preferable to just dumping it out on the ground or a drainage grate in a barn aisle or something that doesn’t lead to a sewer. Pyrethrins are very toxic to aquatic life like frogs and fish. I’d be really sad to find the little poisoned corpses of various toads that live in and around where I board. They really like hiding out in the drains of the wash rack, and it’s probably not really the best for them to get rinsed off horse fly spray on them, even....

              Pyrethrins are variably toxic to cats, and their synthetic analogs like permethrin are extremely toxic to cats. Not very toxic to dogs, but can be problematic for some individuals and if very large amounts or high concentrations are used. And they just plain don’t work that great. Back in the day when I had a flea allergic cat, two other cats, and a small dog, living in a third floor apartment in California, my flea control regimen was to spray everybody with pyrethrin daily, being careful on my pyrethrin-sensitive cat, dip the dog once a week in an organophosphate (talk about toxic), vacuum and launder everything constantly, and use a premises spray once a week (thank goodness premises IGRs were a thing back then). All that work, all those chemicals with some degree of toxicity, in a really low-pressure situation, and the allergic cat was till bald and horking up hairballs a foot long (really) from time to time, and I’d sometimes have to put the sensitive cat through the joy of a bath when she started salivating like a mad moose if she was exposed to a bit too much of the pyrethrin. Then Advantage came out. Once a month and he had a gorgeous coat the rest of his life, using a chemical with such a low toxicity profile that the biggest to a dog eating a box of the stuff is basically GI obstruction from the packaging.

              There’s a lot of other alternatives to pyrethrin for external parasite control these days, all of which will almost certainly work better than pyrethrin baths, most of which are much less toxic than pyrethrins (exception that comes to mind being the permethrin-based spot-ons for dogs). Ask your vet about recommendations based on your situation (e.g. do you have cats that are friendly with the dogs; I avoid the permethrins because of this), specific parasites of concern (e.g. ticks and fleas, just fleas), local observed resistance patterns, etc. Depending on the degree of external parasite pressure in your area, monitoring the situation (e.g. flea combing after a bath with a normal shampoo) and treating if and only if you find unwelcome critters can be viable, too. A lot of arid regions really don’t have much in the way of fleas and ticks in typical living situations.


              • #8
                A trick I use FWIW is that blue buckets are for water only. I use black ones for not-feeding.
                If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket


                • #9
                  I wouldn't worry about it. Fly spray lands in feed and water buckets every day. Not to mention the multiple layers we coat the horses with.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Goforward View Post
                    I wouldn't worry about it. Fly spray lands in feed and water buckets every day. Not to mention the multiple layers we coat the horses with.
                    Yes, this. Exposure to the insecticides you listed is going to be a lot higher via the fly spray we deliberately apply than it will be from using that tub to feed your horse. I wouldn't worry about it.
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