Stallion Spotlight

BushyGeneology copy

Real Estate Spotlight

  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Dog washed in feed bucket question

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Dog washed in feed bucket question

    I have some little dogs, and I have a 6-gal Fortiflex feed tub, like this one,

    that I use to help when washing them, using dog shampoo with all the included bug killers.

    It occurred to me that I might need to know for later - If I need to use this tub for feeding, can I? Of course I would clean it as well as I can, but has it been permanently banned now for use as a feeder for horses due to the dog shampoo/bug killers?

    Just want to know, in case I need the info later.
    Founding Member: Spotted Saddlebred Pals Clique

  • #2
    What’s the active ingredients in the shampoo?
    HAS provides hospital care to 340,000 people in Haiti's Artibonite Valley 24/7/365/earthquake/cholera/whatever. blog:


    • Original Poster

      I usually use a Zodiac product for the dogs. Right now it's the Oatmeal Conditioning Shampoo for Dogs and Puppies. Active Ingredients:

      (S)-Methoprene..............(CAS #65733-16-6).....0.10%
      Pyrethrins.......................(CAS #8003-34-7).......0.15%
      Piperonyl Butoxide.........(CAS #51-03-6)...........1.50%
      Other Ingredients....................................... .......98.25%
      .................................................. .....................100.00%
      Founding Member: Spotted Saddlebred Pals Clique


      • #4
        Eh. While the risk is probably small, I'd not use that bucket for feeding horses.

        If you were using baby shampoo, or Dawn, or something that's just a shampoo, fine. But with those other ingredients? Better safe than sorry.


        • #5
          Yeah, I'd worry about the Pyrethrins seeping into the plastic and not washing out entirely. Just use a sharpie and label the bucket "Doggie Baths only".
          ~~ How do you catch a loose horse? Make a noise like a carrot! - British Cavalry joke ~~


          • #6
            I'd wash it well and use it for feed. I wouldn't use it for water.


            • #7
              I don't know that I'd worry a whole lot, there's going to be a lot of ingestion of those same chemicals (other than the methoprene, which is an IGR with extremely low toxicity profile for mammals) when horses groom themselves and each other after use of a typical pyrethrin based fly spray. Probably to a greater extent than would happen with any minor residue in a well-cleaned bucket. Probably best to avoid it, though, on the “excess of caution” philosophy.

              One thing I would be very concerned about is using these products in a way that they wold be introduced into the local waterways (and even just local damp habitat) rather than a proper sewer system. Pouring the water down a proper drain (toilet, bathtub), is preferable to just dumping it out on the ground or a drainage grate in a barn aisle or something that doesn’t lead to a sewer. Pyrethrins are very toxic to aquatic life like frogs and fish. I’d be really sad to find the little poisoned corpses of various toads that live in and around where I board. They really like hiding out in the drains of the wash rack, and it’s probably not really the best for them to get rinsed off horse fly spray on them, even....

              Pyrethrins are variably toxic to cats, and their synthetic analogs like permethrin are extremely toxic to cats. Not very toxic to dogs, but can be problematic for some individuals and if very large amounts or high concentrations are used. And they just plain don’t work that great. Back in the day when I had a flea allergic cat, two other cats, and a small dog, living in a third floor apartment in California, my flea control regimen was to spray everybody with pyrethrin daily, being careful on my pyrethrin-sensitive cat, dip the dog once a week in an organophosphate (talk about toxic), vacuum and launder everything constantly, and use a premises spray once a week (thank goodness premises IGRs were a thing back then). All that work, all those chemicals with some degree of toxicity, in a really low-pressure situation, and the allergic cat was till bald and horking up hairballs a foot long (really) from time to time, and I’d sometimes have to put the sensitive cat through the joy of a bath when she started salivating like a mad moose if she was exposed to a bit too much of the pyrethrin. Then Advantage came out. Once a month and he had a gorgeous coat the rest of his life, using a chemical with such a low toxicity profile that the biggest to a dog eating a box of the stuff is basically GI obstruction from the packaging.

              There’s a lot of other alternatives to pyrethrin for external parasite control these days, all of which will almost certainly work better than pyrethrin baths, most of which are much less toxic than pyrethrins (exception that comes to mind being the permethrin-based spot-ons for dogs). Ask your vet about recommendations based on your situation (e.g. do you have cats that are friendly with the dogs; I avoid the permethrins because of this), specific parasites of concern (e.g. ticks and fleas, just fleas), local observed resistance patterns, etc. Depending on the degree of external parasite pressure in your area, monitoring the situation (e.g. flea combing after a bath with a normal shampoo) and treating if and only if you find unwelcome critters can be viable, too. A lot of arid regions really don’t have much in the way of fleas and ticks in typical living situations.


              • #8
                A trick I use FWIW is that blue buckets are for water only. I use black ones for not-feeding.
                If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket


                • #9
                  I wouldn't worry about it. Fly spray lands in feed and water buckets every day. Not to mention the multiple layers we coat the horses with.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Goforward View Post
                    I wouldn't worry about it. Fly spray lands in feed and water buckets every day. Not to mention the multiple layers we coat the horses with.
                    Yes, this. Exposure to the insecticides you listed is going to be a lot higher via the fly spray we deliberately apply than it will be from using that tub to feed your horse. I wouldn't worry about it.
                    "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
                    that's even remotely true."

                    Homer Simpson