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  • #21
    Well, it's vulgar humor but it gets the point across.

    Thing is, you should pass *every* horse wide and slow, whether you are driving, jogging, or cycling. And another rider shouldn't run up the butt of any horse trail riding, or in the arena.

    I expect the psychology of the jacket is that rather than say "Pass wide and slow, you ignorant twat" it puts the blame on the horse.

    I don't ride on roads regularly but I do ride daily in a well-used suburban park that is shared by joggers, dog walkers, cyclists (including a greenway bike commuting route), baby strollers, people with giant umbrellas, people kicking soccer balls around the parking lot, electric park utility cars, heavy machinery for trail repair and brush cutting, and of course other horses.

    My mare is as bomb proof a trail horse as you could reasonably expect. So I get to notice with bemusement that many many members of the public have absolutely no clue that you maybe shouldn't jog between two horses on a narrow trail wearing headphones, or ride a full speed bike up behind a horse, or etc. However, honestly, I doubt they would notice or alter their behavior if they saw this jacket! And the folks with horses that are younger or less bombproof do get some scares out there.

    I also trail ride with friends who let their horse run right up into my mare's butt, though when they see her pin her ears they do get the message and back off a bit.




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    • #22
      Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
      Well, it's vulgar humor but it gets the point across.
      Truly - it's a term I've been aware of since the early '70s as a derogatory term for a, well, vagina.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Brown Derby View Post

        Truly - it's a term I've been aware of since the early '70s as a derogatory term for a, well, vagina.
        Thanks for enlightening us less informed ones.

        I was under the impression it was some kind of less common British word for dummy.

        Guess it is not just an odd sounding word, better not repeat it.

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          #24
          As so many things with language, in the UK it is seen as not that offensive

          The word twat is widely used as a derogatory epithet, especially in British English, referring to a person considered obnoxious or stupid. It is also used informally as a verb in British English to mean "to hit or punch a person".

          Funny that the word P*ssy so often starred out over here on boards is never an offensive term, just a mild word....


          Meanings and the strength of bad words vary from place to place, and over time...
          "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

          "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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          • #25
            The shirt is crass, but I certainly don't think it's the worst thing I've ever seen.

            I'd say 98% of the time, it's the rider. 1% of the time, it's a circumstance that neither horse or rider can control. And 1% of the time, the horse makes a bad decision - whether it's due to fear or excitement or whatever, and forgets their training.

            My mare was very highly trained and 99% of the time, we were totally on our game, but I can think of one or 2 occasions where she disagreed with me on what I asked for at a jump and made her own decision before discovering that my decision might actually have been the better one. No harm, no foul. I certainly don't expect my animals to be infallible when I can't - but I don't mind going "yep, you goofed" if they choose not to listen to me and it turns out I was right.
            https://www.youtube.com/user/supershorty628

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            • #26
              If this is shirt is designed for riding on roads, then it is recognizing that the real problem is neither the horse nor the rider but the idiots behind the wheel. If you get sideswiped by a truck's side mirror or run into the ditch or someone starts honking beside you, or hits you and sends you and the horse through the windshield and you die, the problem is the driver. Neither horse nor rider. I think the point of the shirt would be to remind drivers that horses are not bicycles that will track straight and reliable at all times (and lots of cyclists get killed too).

              And if your horse does kick fools that ride up behind him (or more likely her) that's not always something that even the best rider can control or train out of a horse.

              People in the UK also run around calling each other "cunt" all the time too.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by KBC View Post
                As so many things with language, in the UK it is seen as not that offensive

                The word twat is widely used as a derogatory epithet, especially in British English, referring to a person considered obnoxious or stupid. It is also used informally as a verb in British English to mean "to hit or punch a person".

                Funny that the word P*ssy so often starred out over here on boards is never an offensive term, just a mild word....


                Meanings and the strength of bad words vary from place to place, and over time...
                Ah, yes, two peoples separated by a common language!!!

                On the question of horses making/not making mistakes, a couple of years ago I was working my gelding on a nice, quiet day with no real distractions. My wife was watching as we moved into a very even 20m canter circle and he was on the correct lead, nice rhythm, smooth, and then the next thing i knew he was on his knees and I was sliding down the left side of his neck. Fortunately he ended up rolling right as I went left. He got up, shook himself, and gave me that "what the Hell are you doing down there?" look. I got up, nothing broken or even hurting, walked him back to the mouthing block noting that he was OK, and got back on. I asked my wife what she saw and her answer was "nothing." I was not out of position, moving excessively, or in any way impeding his motion. There was no "spook" or other scare factor. He just lost his rhythm and balance at a critical moment and got tangled in his own feet.

                So, yes, horses do make mistakes and in an infinitesimally small percentage of cases a failure IS their fault. Of course maybe this is just the exception that proves the claimed rule!!!

                G.
                Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                • #28
                  I think that sometimes it is the horse. Some horses are just not interested in playing games, if that is jumping or trail riding or dressage. It's why we sometimes buy a horse meant for a job and find out it hates the job. Or maybe it does its job if everything and aid is perfect. I think discounting the horse's mental state is a serious mistake. We can't always just train their opinion out of them, and we shouldn't try.

                  As far as the shirt, I used to ride frequently on a trail that was shared with mountain bikes. In general most of them are terrified of getting kicked in the face. Some however, have race brain and would run down a baby in a carriage.

                  My mare is dead safe around bikes thanks to this behavior and we can pass a bike at a gallop without blinking (really we just trot past them and walk past pedestrians). I always tell the bike "you can keep coming, this horse is fine with bikes, but thanks for stopping just in case!"
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Brown Derby View Post

                    Truly - it's a term I've been aware of since the early '70s as a derogatory term for a, well, vagina.
                    No, in British English, that word is "fanny." Leading to much hilarity among my British friends on a trip during which some of the Americans were sporting fanny packs.
                    "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
                    that's even remotely true."

                    Homer Simpson

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                    • #30
                      I'd wear a jacket saying PLEASE PASS WIDE AND SLOW BECAUSE MY HORSE IS, WELL, A HORSE, AND MIGHT SPOOK INTO YOUR CAR AND DENT IT.

                      It did happen to me.
                      Riding a total ham of a Morgan gelding.
                      Who, when crossing a bridge, spooked at the ice loudly breaking, INTO a pick up truck that was passing us too close. No harm done to the chunky horse - BIG dent in the pick up.
                      THAT hopefully will teach them.
                      Or not.
                      The "TWATS" are usually the humans.
                      Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                        Ah, yes, two peoples separated by a common language!!!

                        On the question of horses making/not making mistakes, a couple of years ago I was working my gelding on a nice, quiet day with no real distractions. My wife was watching as we moved into a very even 20m canter circle and he was on the correct lead, nice rhythm, smooth, and then the next thing i knew he was on his knees and I was sliding down the left side of his neck. Fortunately he ended up rolling right as I went left. He got up, shook himself, and gave me that "what the Hell are you doing down there?" look. I got up, nothing broken or even hurting, walked him back to the mouthing block noting that he was OK, and got back on. I asked my wife what she saw and her answer was "nothing." I was not out of position, moving excessively, or in any way impeding his motion. There was no "spook" or other scare factor. He just lost his rhythm and balance at a critical moment and got tangled in his own feet.

                        So, yes, horses do make mistakes and in an infinitesimally small percentage of cases a failure IS their fault. Of course maybe this is just the exception that proves the claimed rule!!!

                        G.
                        The horse tripped. This is not the fault of the horse. He did not plan it or try to hurt the rider. This is life. People can also trip.

                        The same as the 16.3hh tb doing a collected canter in the State Forest and being as good as gold. My good position meant nothing when his front hoof stepped in a hole and we came down. He split his shoulder open. I had a cut on my hand and a scar for years.

                        That is life. I don't blame anyone.
                        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                        • #32
                          I'm amazed that anyone would actually wear a garment with that word on it in public.
                          Rack on!

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                          • #33
                            A young lady I used to ride with took a clinic from a BNT (whose name I forget - sorry) and he asked her after her round what she thought. She proceeded to tell him that the horse was just perfect but she was not. He looked at her in amazement and said "How could your horse be perfect and you weren't?" True. Very true. Give yourself some credit. But, if your horse is an idiot or an ass-hat, then SOME of that is on you but certainly not all of it. They make their decisions and have their days, too.

                            "Cats aren't clean; they're covered with cat spit."
                            - John S Nichols (1745-1846,writer/printer)

                            Don't come for me - I didn't send for you.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Rackonteur View Post
                              I'm amazed that anyone would actually wear a garment with that word on it in public.
                              Why? It just means "idiot" or "thicko". English differs around the world - whatever you do, dont be called "Randy" in New Zealand as it means something that you shouldnt admit in public . Also "fanny" is not polite either.
                              Still Working_on_it - one day I will get it!

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                                The horse tripped. This is not the fault of the horse. He did not plan it or try to hurt the rider. This is life. People can also trip.

                                The same as the 16.3hh tb doing a collected canter in the State Forest and being as good as gold. My good position meant nothing when his front hoof stepped in a hole and we came down. He split his shoulder open. I had a cut on my hand and a scar for years.

                                That is life. I don't blame anyone.
                                I don't "blame" the horse. That requires making a moral or ethical judgement. In my mishap there were only two parties and I didn't err but ended up on the ground, anyway. So the horse gets call on this one, if a call is to be made. Again, we can argue about that but it if was either me or him and it wasn't me then our remaining choices are few.

                                After we were done I didn't beat him or cut is grain ration or put him a dry lot or stall without water or anything else to "punish." I just make the observation that he screwed up, not me. Screwups happen. THAT is life.

                                G.
                                Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                  The horse may be a twat, but the rider that rides the horse it can't control, twat or not, is also a twat.

                                  If you are riding a twat, don't also be a twat, train to avoid twattines.

                                  Keep everyone safe, ride where two and four legged twats are not a problem for others.
                                  Can't stop laughing! This is the most correct answer, imo

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                                  • #37
                                    Some horses are sometimes just twats - regardless of the rider’s skill or experience. Why is this such a big deal? The jacket is hilarious

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Rackonteur View Post
                                      I'm amazed that anyone would actually wear a garment with that word on it in public.
                                      In the UK that word just means “idiot.”

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                        I don't "blame" the horse. That requires making a moral or ethical judgement. In my mishap there were only two parties and I didn't err but ended up on the ground, anyway. So the horse gets call on this one, if a call is to be made. Again, we can argue about that but it if was either me or him and it wasn't me then our remaining choices are few.

                                        After we were done I didn't beat him or cut is grain ration or put him a dry lot or stall without water or anything else to "punish." I just make the observation that he screwed up, not me. Screwups happen. THAT is life.

                                        G.
                                        The third option is neither of you were at fault. Sometimes no one is to blame except maybe mother nature.

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                                        • #40
                                          I think it's hilarious, I would totally buy that and wear it! I love my horse, he is usually an absolute sweetheart, but sometimes he acts like an idiot, if he is feeling fresh. It's not his fault, it's not my fault, I just laugh at him and redirect his attention and start doing something that gets him to focus back on me. But in those moments, if you go by the definition of twat meaning idiot, yes, he can sometimes be a twat.

                                          As for the garment, I think it's a funny way to get people to pay attention but not be offended or anything. It gives the horses personality. It's easier to understand "Oh that horse can be a twat? He isn't a perfect animal that is always under control, I need to be careful", I think a lot of non horsey people don't realize that they AREN'T always under control and CAN react to things in dangerous ways.

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