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American School of Riding -- Legit or Scam

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  • American School of Riding -- Legit or Scam

    This program has contacted me asking my barn to host a clinic. Anyone heard of this group? Feel free to PM if you don't want to post.

  • #2
    Well you can Google. It looks like it is one person who has been around awhile as a trainer and clinician. The website does not mention or show any students, horses, or concrete achievements like scores, awards, even previous clinics.

    ???Its not a scam in the sense of being run by a deposed Nigerian Princess with an area code phone number in Ukraine but I see nothing on the website that would make me say: wow, I really need to go to a clinic with this person.

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    • #3
      Link? More info?
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      I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
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      • #4
        I googled it but my post got held up for approval.

        It seems to be one person who has a few mentions over the years as a trainer and coach but the website makes no mention of any concrete achievements, or students or horses or other clinics. She's had other training names before.

        I don't think it is an outright scam, I mean she does seem involved with horses. But there is nothing on the website to make me think she's clinician material.

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        • #5
          https://www.schoolofriding.com/contact/

          Emily Abbate

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          • #6
            There was a place in Loudoun County with a name similar to that - not sure if it's the same place. I haven't been by there in some time but I don't recall ever seeing horses there though the signage claimed it was some riding place and now it looks like some of the land has been sold off to housing developers..

            I googled it and there's some website that looks very sleek but the information is quite odd - and is located in Florida and NC or something according to the contact info.

            Not sure if this is the same place but look at their "Partners and Sponsors" link - here's a sample

            Option 1
            5 auditors at $35 - brought in by each of the riders Plus a $250 fee per rider ($1,500) 5o auditors brought in by host ($2,800 for 80 total auditors)

            Anything over 80 auditors - the host keeps ticket proceeds. ASR proceeds = $4,300



            https://www.schoolofriding.com/wp-co...ership-Kit.pdf

            I've been to several George Morris Clinics and maybe 20 auditors? And this place is saying anything over 80 Sheesh.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gottagrey View Post
              There was a place in Loudoun County with a name similar to that - not sure if it's the same place. I haven't been by there in some time but I don't recall ever seeing horses there though the signage claimed it was some riding place and now it looks like some of the land has been sold off to housing developers..

              I googled it and there's some website that looks very sleek but the information is quite odd - and is located in Florida and NC or something according to the contact info.

              Not sure if this is the same place but look at their "Partners and Sponsors" link - here's a sample

              Option 1
              5 auditors at $35 - brought in by each of the riders Plus a $250 fee per rider ($1,500) 5o auditors brought in by host ($2,800 for 80 total auditors)

              Anything over 80 auditors - the host keeps ticket proceeds. ASR proceeds = $4,300



              https://www.schoolofriding.com/wp-co...ership-Kit.pdf

              I've been to several George Morris Clinics and maybe 20 auditors? And this place is saying anything over 80 Sheesh.
              Huh. Looks like someone trying to apply the basic principles of pyramid scheme marketing to the economics of riding clinics

              Nowhere on that sheet does it actually say what she does so well that we are going to pay $250 for a one day clinic.

              Those attendance figures are delusional for a no name trainer.

              Based on that sheet, that's very wierd and I would not want to do business with her. Maybe there is a scam involved. Maybe once you can't get those auditors you have to pay thousands. Too strange. Walk away from her offer.

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              • #8
                Hmm. It seems to be a dubious "school" in my opinion. No credentials put forth.
                It's a high asking price for a clinician with no visible record and no CV provided.

                The name Emily Abbate results in an inactive member of USEF and an FEI registration in Dressage from 2009 with no results then or since. https://data.fei.org/Person/Detail.a...ECD92BA51BE3B9

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                • #9
                  I did pull up something online that suggested she qualified for a high point award at Training Level dressage in 1997?

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                  • #10
                    I did a quick google and looks like she did clinics in Wellington back in the day. Found this of her riding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5-mTOEVpM

                    And she has an audio book.

                    It looks like she did a clinic at Sharon Oaks in NC earlier this year, but they rent out their facilities to a bunch of different trainers, I could even rent it for the day and impart my training knowledge.

                    Move forward at your own risk.
                    "Anyone who tries to make brownies without butter should be arrested." Ina Garten

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                    • #11
                      The video was very instructive!

                      It said Run away! Run away!
                      Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                      Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                      • #12
                        Sounds like someone I would stay away from, according to what posters have mentioned above. It doesn't sound like she has any credentials or results to be doing what she is doing. Or for asking for that amount of money ouch!

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                        • #13
                          How would it be a scam? Is she paying you up front for use of your facility, or is she going to dribble in part of the fees she collects? Does she want you to collect the money? Just make sure you have a contract with her, and whatever way, no payment, no clinic.
                          "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                          • #14
                            Not saying it's a scam but wow, how many people can charge $1000 an hour?!
                            https://www.schoolofriding.com/eques...ss-consulting/

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                            • #15
                              Website is kind of eye-rolly.

                              The Sale horses are certified "level 5 NEPR which is most similar to FEI Prix St George" < so she has her own rating system?

                              Prices start @ $30K, although nothing currently (or past) for sale is showcased.
                              Nor are there any testimonials from those she has supposedly helped with the $1K/hr coaching.

                              The 5yo vid on YouTube?
                              IIWM, I'd take that down ASAP, hardly incentive to go with her current program
                              *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                              Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                              Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                              Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by clanter

                                posting error, evidently failed to insert decimal, should have been $10.00 per hour

                                Or $1.00/hr ?
                                *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                                Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                                Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                                Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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                                • #17
                                  I have to question the judgement of any trainer who thinks grey font on a white background is reasonable.

                                  ETA: She needs an editor and a spellcheck program, as well. That is some fairly tortured prose there.
                                  "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                  ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                  • #18
                                    When one puts "too many things" in quotes, I must say, I start to question the "veracity" of the "claimed credentials". A "good editor", which she "surely can afford", can put the kibosh on this parenthetical "nightmare". Plus, if you're going to crow about your Black Card Club (is this a thing?), be sure you call it that, and not the Black Club Card in the next paragraph.
                                    Last edited by Ace; Jan. 7, 2019, 10:38 AM. Reason: ETA - what Ghazzu said, in Black Club Card spades.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Glyphica View Post
                                      This program has contacted me asking my barn to host a clinic. Anyone heard of this group? Feel free to PM if you don't want to post.
                                      If it's legit it will have a network of barns where it can give clinics. If it doesn't know you and you don't know it, by word of mouth, I'd be leery of it. You know how small and insular the horse world is. It should have barns to host in its network and if it doesn't ... do you want to be a part of that?
                                      Rack on!

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                                      • #20
                                        I would contact former barns who have hosted clinics. Found a few by scrolling through this individuals FB (you have to go back to October and earlier). Honestly, not seeing anything that makes me want to clinic with them and they are asking for a lot from the clinic host. I'd save your $ and bring in a trainer that can bring in auditors and riders without you having to do a ton of leg work to explain exactly who and why they are.

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