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  • #61
    I think the therapeutic influence of the horses would make a wonderful adjunct to the therapy for certain patients.

    However asking one employee to take on the responsibility of two barns, all the horses, "and" be a house mother, would require an individual of extreme energy and devotion.... It would probably leave no room for any personal life.... Perhaps you could hire a Nun.

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    • #62
      Look into partnering with TRF and have the patients care for the horses under supervision. Make somebody else cook and clean.
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      • #63
        I am presently wrapping up a MA (and moving into my PhD candidacy) in the study of organizations and work. This includes organizational design, recruitment, selection, training, and job satisfaction. So I guess I'm pretty qualified to speak on this issue!

        In my honest opinion, the job you are describing is not one job. It is easily two. Not because of the amount of physical labor (as has been pointed out, caring for 4 horses is not a full time job). Mostly because both aspects of this (boarding barn management and drug rehab facility "house mother") are positions which create incredible emotional labor for the individuals who hold them. Holding just ONE of those jobs can stretch someone thin emotionally. Never mind doing both.

        Even if you pay someone handsomely, the emotional taxation associated with these positions makes it very unlikely that you will be able to retain anyone for long.

        I second Bluey's suggestion of making them separate businesses. Complete with separate entrances. You're more likely to be able to attract and retain boarders that way, too. Hire a barn manager for the barn, hire a "house mother" for the house. If you can find a "house mother" who likes horses and enjoys riding, having them nearby can be a really awesome job perk. Not an extra part of their job, but rather a great way for them to relax by doing something they love when they're not working.

        JMHO, of course. Feel free to PM me if you'd like more information.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
          To answer the original question, I would hire two different people. Keep the two things separate. It will be much easier to hire and replace and manage if there is one person in charge of horses and another in charge of rehab housekeeping.
          i agree----cuz first, running even a small boarding operation well requires someone committed to it's success,
          and second, housekeeping, cooking and laundry for several people requires even more!

          otherwise i like the idea. and can see how the jobs would be divided.

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          • #65
            That is my dream job. I'm a social worker with 35 years of horse experience. Wish you were close to me.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Coanteen View Post
              That's very true, tidy rabbit, but so is the inverse - that just because one is a "high end" addict doesn't mean that one's not also a thieving criminal or a danger to society. Addiction does a number on all people, even rich "high class" people.
              True, but thievery isn't limited to addicts either.
              Forgive me, I am writing this before responding to the OP. It just seems that this subject is raising a lot of stereotypes and emotion. If you keep your horses at a boarding barn, you have no idea of whether there are thieves or addicts working there -- until something happens (been there, done that). At least at the facility the OP seems to be describing, there would be full disclosure and boarders would be on alert.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                You know what it sounds like to me? A $h!tty, totally underpaid job. I don't care if it is Versailles, living in is part of the job - why is that counted as being part of the compensation? $500 a week to slave away for a bunch of addicts? It would be like an episode of Life In Hell. As for the boarders, hope they'll be warned in advance never to keep a single thing unlocked, their keys in plain view, etc.
                In a different economy, I would agree with you. But the OP may, by advertising widely, find someone who is in dire straits regarding foreclosure or other calamity, who needs to do something with their horse, and who is willing to take this kind of job while waiting things out. It really isn't that different than someone without a job or home taking on a job in India to lie low, survive, and wait out if/when things get better. That's already becoming an option. And despite economic improvements, life in transitional countries isn't a picnic.

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                • #68
                  Oh, geez, that was a good point upthread--if this is going to be a place where the junkies are 'high end' (and I assume that you are referring mostly to drug, rather than alcohol, rehab, and if so, remember that by definition they're criminals--it's illegal to misuse prescription medications, and obviously any illegal drugs cannot be acquired legally, therefore people using them are by definition criminals-alcohol, while not pleasant, at least doesn't require committing a crime to acquire unless you're under 21) then privacy is going to be a HUGE issue. People go to spa/hotel "rehabs" (until they bail one time too many and the judge has to throw the book at them) so people don't see them. Having the public on the property is an open invitation to privacy breaches for the patients.

                  Also, for the few calling for compassion, see above comment about criminality, and also remember that while they may have been 'nice' people when they were sober, mind- and mood-altering substances are, by definition, mind- and mood-altering. While they're detoxing is not the time they're most likely to be stable. I'm stunned any insurance company would be willing to touch this with a ten-foot pole without a guarantee that someone qualified would be supervising, and assurances children aren't allowed anywhere on the property.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by CHS View Post
                    That is my dream job. I'm a social worker with 35 years of horse experience. Wish you were close to me.
                    See? There are people out there. I say phooey to the naysayers. But I do think either you find the perfect person, aka the one quoted, or clearly delineate positions.

                    But OP, having been married to a very successful businessman in my time, it doesn't mean they know everything.

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                    • #70
                      Not to be rude, but I think for the pay you are offering for that position you may need to look on Mars.
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                      • #71
                        Oh, heck, I'd do it (where are you located? ). The horse element is unique, but the living at work, multi-tasking, high-stress level that many are taking exception to is not completely unheard of. I've worked as a house-parent for kids (two staff for 10 boys with severe ADD/ADHD/Asperger's), and there wasn't even a pretense of time off whilst you were on (it was 7 days on/7 days off), we got vacation only the couple of weeks a year that the kids were out (it was year-round school, but had a couple of short breaks), it paid about what the OP is proposing and didn't include housing (or horse board!) when you weren't on. We only had to cook for breakfast and on weekends (dinners were pre-prepped and just had to be heated and they had lunch at school), but we did ALL the cleaning and other household chores plus appointment-setting, transportation, entertainment, and everything else a parent would normally do. And that's not unusual for the industry.

                        I work for a camp now, 14-hour or longer days all summer (shorter days the rest of the year, but still 10-hour+ on the weekends), 5 (off-season) or 6 (summer) days a week, living on-site and paid a bit less than the OP's figure. Yes, it's not for everyone, but for the right person it's actually a fun job. You just have to be good at managing your time and set "rules" for yourself for your time off. (For example, I won't check my (work) email if I'm not on, and if I am on-site I stay away from the office even if I REALLY want to check in!)

                        Like I said, not for everyone, but not the most outrageous idea on the planet, either. It's just that people not in a similar field are not going to understand!
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kementari View Post
                          Like I said, not for everyone, but not the most outrageous idea on the planet, either. It's just that people not in a similar field are not going to understand!
                          Except that a lot of the people who are commenting are or have been in similar fields. So it's not just random people who have normal nine-to-five jobs going "who the heck would do that?" - it's people who have been in similar positions and seen the rate of burn out and the level of stress that kind of job puts you in and are trying to give them realistic ideas from the start about what is necessary LONG TERM if you don't want to be hiring on new staff all the time.

                          And pretty universally, most situations I've encountered where the physical, mental, and emotional demands on staff are high, the turn over rate is ridiculous. That's just what you do not need if you're trying to develop a reputation as a reliable program, particularly if your clients are the type of people who can afford to 'shop around' rather than being limited to what they're provided with.

                          I mean, I'm sure you can find people who will do it - but the problem is it's not a functional business plan to be dependent on finding that 'needle in a haystack' person who can do the job when you do not NEED to be relying on a needle in a haystack to get the job done. Split the job into 'house mother' and 'barn manager' and finding candidates will be a lot easier and allow you to be pickier about who you select, and also will mean the business is not relying on one individual to be able to hold up under the stress and strain.

                          If you do find that needle-in-a-haystack type - what do you do when that person has an accident in the barn and can't work at all for six months? What if that person has to quit entirely for some reason? What if that person just took the job you're offering because, as someone suggested, the economy is so shitty that they'll take anything, and then a year or two down the road they find something better? You're then in the position of having to find ANOTHER needle-in-a-haystack person. (And that's totally ignoring issues like if the person you find fits into the structure/culture of the program you have set up, if they get along with you well enough to work together, if they have the right standards of care, etc.)

                          It's just a far more realistic and robust approach for the business to plan on it being two people, and to budget for it that way. If you happen to find someone who can and is willing (and legally allowed) to do both, fine. But don't bet the business on that person existing.

                          ETA- and for the record, I LOVED the high-stress, multi-tasking job that I had. But I'm realistic about how stressful it was and how few people are actually able to handle it without having problems sooner or later.

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