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  • #21
    That should not even be a question!!!! It isn't like there is a small (or big) change at the same location or the same business is moving a short distance away it is CLOSING finding a new place is difficult enough timewise and financially under the best of circumstances, never mind in only 30 days, forget it is the dead of winter so any place worth even a few of the grains of sand in it's indoor will be full and let's pretend it is not also the holiday season OH!!! added bonus if you have kids who have school vacation. Honestly knowing now and not saying anything for over 2 months is a major D**che bag move that should not even be considered by anyone with a conscience.

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    • #22
      After a 50 years as a boarder who has been thru this many times, I expect 90 days and waiving 30 day notice so if stalls open up in desirable barns, boarders don’t have to pay board at the intended barn to hold the stall for weeks when it wasn’t their idea to move. This might involve being willing to prorate board rather then collect the full month in advance. PITA but fair if you are shutting down. Think you’ll find most will move at the end of the month anyway as that’s when many stalls open up in popular barns.

      We are very close to 90 days right now. Would go ahead and let boarders know now and follow that up with formal written noticce in the next week or so.. Mid winter is a terrible time to find another barn, even in mild climates there’s holidays and school vacations that effect not onlyboarders but those who will haul the horses if HO doesn’t have a trailer. If somebody wants to move Oct 1, I would not penalize them.

      Also think you should target Dec 15 as the closing date, which is just about right at 90 days from today and before the holiday chaos. Keep Dec 31 as the drop dead date where everything must be off the property and the gates will be locked. Because there’s always stragglers.

      Good point about slow or no pay boarders, get them caught up now while there’s time or get them off your property ASAP. Don’t let them linger until New Years Eve when we all know nothing is going to go anywhere.
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      • #23
        Keep it simple.

        Barn is closing. All animals and personal property must be gone by 9pm Dec 15 (whatever time and date you choose). The 30 day notice required by the contract is waived immediately.


        ​If you wish to do so, pro rate board and return the "unused" portion when boarders leave. But I suggest doing it on an individual basis as someone leaving in the last few days of the month is a normal process and shouldn't have board pro rated for doing so. I'd not say anything about pro rating board until someone asks specifically about their own impending move.

        If you want to have a personal "drop dead" of later, that's fine, but if you make that date known your stragglers will ignore the out by date and straggle past your drop dead date.

        Good luck!

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        • #24
          The "drop dead" date here is the date which BO sets to square themselves with the landlord (if there is one) and the tax man (and he's as real as a heart attack ). The 12/31 date is a "magic number" for a whole bunch of things. That's one reason why, thinking about it, I'd be tempted to make 11/30 as the be-gone date for boarders. That way if somebody is an unauthorized "hold over" then you have a chance to be blunt and tell the holdover that if their horse and other property are not gone by a December date certain that you'll declare it "abandoned" and turn it over to Animal Control, a rescue, or whatever other appropriate place can be found.

          The above presumes that "drop dead" here means the time when the BO MUST have their business wrapped up for whatever reasons they might have or suffer financial or legal consequences. If such a date does not exist and they picked 12/31 "just because" then they may be liberal in dealing with holdovers. It all depends on the BO's needs.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by poltroon View Post
            To have only 30 days would be bad enough but to get that notice December 1 would be especially unkind given how many people have travel and vacation plans in December. Tell your boarders immediately, in writing, all at the same time. Clearly state what notice you expect - ie if they're leaving sooner you expect 30 days notice, if you do - and anything else they need to know (like that everyone and everything has to be out no later than 5 pm December 31, if that's the case).
            Plus all of your boarders will be competing with one another for the available spots in surrounding barns. You just about set them up to fail and/or compete with each other trying to succeed if you give just 30 days' notice, or wait until December 1.

            If you give them longer notice and they leave in waves, your ex-boarders will have an easier time coping with the loss of your stable. Sorry to hear about another barn closing.
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            • #26
              I was boarding at a barn for about a year when the owner announced she was putting the property up for sale. This was about June/Julyish. She assured us that we shouldn't worry, and that she would only sell to someone who would keep running the facility as a boarding stable. I thought "wouldn't that be nice" and immediately started looking, since even if she found someone willing to tell her what she wanted to hear that didn't mean anything once the ink dried and someone else owned the property. It was a shame because it was a perfect, economical partial care situation where I bought feed, hay, and straw and cleaned my stall but the owners fed and turned out.

              In September, I found a barn I liked for an October move date. I had heard my soon-to-be-ex barn owner had gotten rather hostile when people had left in the past, so I paid out 30 days anyway (though I believe if the property is for sale and the future of the facility is unknown, 30 days shouldn't be required as if the property closes suddenly all the boarders will have to scramble). I was just in the nick of time - about a week after I moved my mare to the new property, the old barn sold. The new owner did keep the barn as a boarding facility, but wanted to run a very different kind of barn - it went from a partial care barn of mostly trail riders to an eventing barn with a showing contingent of clients and a booming lesson program. Board prices were also jacked up with 30 days notice to current boarders, causing a mass exodus as even considering the move from partial care to full care, the prices were higher than the market would bear.

              Funnily enough, when things went south at the new property I ended up moving back to the old one under the new owner, after she had come to her senses and adjusted her pricing.

              Long story short, as much notice as you can give is always preferable and waive the 30 days notice. As other posters have pointed out, 30 days notice is usually designed to give barn owners a chance to fill an empty stall and not lose income, but if you're closing the barn you won't be replacing the business regardless. It will make it easier for your clients to find new facilities without the added pressure of having to pay a month of board to two different facilities. In my story above, I was lucky that I got to make the move in my own time but my fellow boarders weren't so lucky and really had to drop everything for a couple weeks to find accommodations, and we're in a very horse-friendly area.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                After a 50 years as a boarder who has been thru this many times, I expect 90 days and waiving 30 day notice so if stalls open up in desirable barns, boarders don’t have to pay board at the intended barn to hold the stall for weeks when it wasn’t their idea to move. This might involve being willing to prorate board rather then collect the full month in advance. PITA but fair if you are shutting down. Think you’ll find most will move at the end of the month anyway as that’s when many stalls open up in popular barns.

                We are very close to 90 days right now. Would go ahead and let boarders know now and follow that up with formal written noticce in the next week or so.. Mid winter is a terrible time to find another barn, even in mild climates there’s holidays and school vacations that effect not onlyboarders but those who will haul the horses if HO doesn’t have a trailer. If somebody wants to move Oct 1, I would not penalize them.

                Also think you should target Dec 15 as the closing date, which is just about right at 90 days from today and before the holiday chaos. Keep Dec 31 as the drop dead date where everything must be off the property and the gates will be locked. Because there’s always stragglers.

                Good point about slow or no pay boarders, get them caught up now while there’s time or get them off your property ASAP. Don’t let them linger until New Years Eve when we all know nothing is going to go anywhere.
                ^this

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                • #28
                  Another reason for a BO to get deposits when boarders come in. You don't get screwed by the slow and no pay boarders.
                  "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Gainer View Post
                    I was once at a facility that was sold (quietly, no one knew it was for sale). When they announced the sale, we were told that nothing would change. 30 days later, we were all given 30 days to get out. 80+ horses on the street in an area chock full of horses and not nearly that many open stalls.

                    Wow, 80 horses, that's a lot of revenue. What did the new owners do with the property?

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                    • #30
                      I think the idea of finding options for alternative boarding barns is a good idea that will make this notice less stressful for clients. I don't think you should worry about making the notice date a round number, just give notice as soon as you are able to do so in an efficient manner.

                      I am curious how you plan to disseminate the information: phone call? Email? It seems that it would be best/most fair to inform people at as close to the same time as possible, as the first ones to find out will have an advantage. Depending on how many boarders you are talking about though, a phone call to each of them might be emotionally exhausting.
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                      • #31
                        prepare letters in writing and hold a meeting and tell everyone at once. Not fair to tell certain people first and give them first dibs on other facilities. Tell everyone at once or send an email to all at once.
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by sketcher View Post


                          Wow, 80 horses, that's a lot of revenue. What did the new owners do with the property?
                          It was bought by a reproductive vet. Several years later, he ended up renting most of it back out to trainers because he couldn't keep it going on his own.

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