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Getting a horse fearful of a crop to be more forward

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    Getting a horse fearful of a crop to be more forward

    So essentially, we got this rescue mare (we dont know the breed or history as the lady we bought her from said she was wandering the woods on the back of her property). Shes very calm on the ground until you bring in a whip or crop. We tried lunging her with just the rope swinging and she doesnt budge. So i tried using a lunge whip behind her and she will walk a few steps, give a small buck and stop. I've tried smacking it on the ground to get her to move, but nothing. And its weird because if i go towards her with it she's fine and will smell it for like two seconds before she starts sniffing me for treats. Anyhow, we had another very not-forward horse before and he didnt really react well to the whip either, but while riding i used the crop (in a rhythmic, building pressure way until he walked and i released) and he became much more forward, however, last time we used the crop on her, starting the same way, she freaked out, threw my father, who was riding her, and took off. This is a very gentle horse, scared of nothing and nobody, and always very easy to lead and ride (as long as shes being led or ponied). Its a weird situation, but i really need help.

    Rather than weird, it just seems like a typical green horse situation.
    Is there a nearby professional who can help you get her started/re-started? That's going to be the most efficient way forward.
    Patience pays.


      I agree, it's possible mare has never been longed and is not even broke to saddle. Get a good local trainer on boards.


        Agree. This horse is unbroken. Send her to a reputable professional trainer to get some rides on her, and to give her an education on lunging.


          You need to learn a lot more about horse training before you pick up a whip or crop. Please get this horse to a trainer and get some lessons for yourself.


            Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
            Alfred A. Montapert


              No one is offended, but if you are a real person you must appreciate that what you've written sounds like you've never been near a horse before.

              Did you see the horse ridden? It's possible that it can ride, but not know how to lunge. Or it's possible that the horse is entirely unbroken, meaning someone could really be in for a ride when they get on.

              Either way - getting a qualified trainer to assess the knowledge of this horse before you go any further sounds like a good idea.


                Folks buy horses without laying eyes on them beforehand, all the time, apparently.
                This is what I took the OP's situation to be.


                  I have bought a horse sight unseen - he ended up going Advanced. But if I don't know a horse I always start from scratch to fill in any holes it ay have in its training.
                  Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique


                    Originally posted by Charlemagne
                    I agree that i need to get her to a trainer, however insulting my riding capabilities is unnecessary. I've only ever worked with push-button horses before, so I just didn't know what to look for. Sorry if I offended you.
                    I'm not offended, just concerned for the horse.


                      Originally posted by Charlemagne
                      I agree that i need to get her to a trainer, however insulting my riding capabilities is unnecessary. I've only ever worked with push-button horses before, so I just didn't know what to look for. Sorry if I offended you.
                      I don't think they were insulting your riding capabilities but just stating what is. If you've only worked with push-button horses, then your riding skills will reflect that and be very limited. You learn the skills necessary to help train a green horse by riding a variety of challenging horses under skilled and experienced instruction so they can properly teach you how to address problems without creating bigger ones.

                      This isn't anything to feel badly about, by the way - we all started somewhere. It's great to want to help horses but when you're coming from a place of limited exposure and necessary education to deal with the issues, it's very easy to cause more problems for the horse, both physically and mentally.

                      It's also entirely possible your experience with this horse is just completely different from the previous owner's due to things like tack fit, handling differences, dietary changes, different environmental stresses, etc.


                        Originally posted by pluvinel View Post
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