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  • #21
    They actually sell 'shock collars' for horses.

    OK, i'm done on that train o thought.

    We had a "gelding" donated to us several weeks ago. his paperwork still said stallion and lets just say you couldnt get close enough to key parts to be sure what was still under there. the moment we had him home, we called the vet (a new one for us, as she was first available), and told her we had an aggressive, mean, badly mistrained 'gelding' that we believed may be a cryptorchid who needed bloodwork and to be 'checked'. We warned her that the last people thought it was "cute" how he "played" iwth the husband by the husband running to chase him away from the goats and he attempted to kick the husband in the head each time....

    Back to the story. Vet came out, tried to be calm and gentle with the boy, then 'tranq darted' into the muscle in his neck after he tried to bite her arm off, and had already tried to paw, strike or otherwise 'get' other people trying to calmly assist him. He settled, she got underneath and siad "he sure looks gelded. What made you think to ask to test for crypt?" i explained I'd handled one in my past, and we'd had a horse a few years ago that I now think likely was also a crypt. She found a scar on his right, no scar on his left, drew blood, got his vaccinations et al current, and went on her way.

    bloodwork shows he has a testosterone level higher than an active breeding stallion, and a precursor level more than 2x the threshold to assume he is crypt.

    he is scheduled for surgery in 3 weeks (we are still trying to raise the funds, if people wish to help). the fee? $800-1500 assuming no major complications, including basic aftercare and an overnight stay. We believe the testicle is abdominal and 3 vets told us not to waste money on an ultrasound to find it first. they will scope for it once he is laid down and doped.

    WHATS PROUD CUT MEAN? There's another thread on this in the breeding forum that I encourage you to read. it's been usd to mean a lot of things over time, but the general concensus was that the history of the term was when the cow hands would 'geld' a stud colt who only had one testicle dropped. they didnt use a vet, didn't go digging for the second one. those horses tended ot get a cresty neck and have the 'showoffmanship' of a stallion, but were seldom if ever fertile. and they lived on the range, so acting like an idjit didnt matter much or might have him get himself kilt...

    I hope you're able to get bloodwork on your boy, and assuming he is crypt, I would do my best to plead to you to serious consider getting it fixed. Even if you find ways to manage his behavior for now, please think about his future. what if you had to rehome him? how would the people you love find him a safe new life if something sudden happened to you? what if he hurts someone at your boarding barn b/c you aren't there to maintain the shock training and he goes through a fence to get a mare someone is riding?

    finally, they say that a crypt is far more likely to have testicular cancer, and that 'bad behaviors' under saddle have often been traced back to abdominal pain from what is often an oversized testicle stuck smoewhere that the body hasn't room to put it.....

    forgive me, i didnt mean to come out preachy if i have. please know that. just trying to share some of the concerns our board had to discuss, long and hard, after we had this young man here, and justify having the surgery done. we did A LOT of research, and I sincerely hope some of my research might also be helpful for you.

    Best wishes,
    Annmarie Cross
    Crosswinds Equine Rescue
    www.cwer.org
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    Would you be willing to help us to help Jack with his surgery? details on his webpage. donations may be made directly to the vet -- his information will be provided upon request.
    AnnMarie Cross, Pres, Crosswinds Equine Rescue, cwer.org
    Sidell IL (near Champ./UofI/Danville IL/IN state border)

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      One gelding we had that was difficult, when we added new horsees to the herd, we put him out wearing a grazing muzzle. we called it his 'hanibal lecter mask'. Pretty quickly the other horse figured out this boy was trouble, and the fact that he couldn't bite turned down his aggression -- and 2-3 days later, we could take the mask off, and, other than with a particularly stupid saddlebred gelding, the badboy who i now thnk ws likely a crypt had settled down and wasn't aggressive at the new horse.

      *(of course, he'd been trained how to eat with teh muzzle so he could graze and eat hay with the herd).

      He did still rarely mount mares, but the biting injuries and other issues had decreased dramatically.

      Originally posted by excowgirlie View Post
      i dont usually ever turn him out...the place i have him(i was recently forced to move, with the rest of our barn, due to conditions beyond my control) is now is a large paddock area, and the mare was next to him, and he was practilly crawling over the fence to get to her..so i moved her in with him...that is the source of my frustration...i cant have him anywhere! he is a challange, my boarding situation changed, and the mare is actually the only horse he got along with...my ideal situation for this special needs horse is a corner stall, built well, with a run, at the end of a barn, with no horse next to him..now really, does that sound like a realistic expectation? i wish....btw , if you read the initial post, the mounting the mare is only one of my many challenges with this gelding....
      AnnMarie Cross, Pres, Crosswinds Equine Rescue, cwer.org
      Sidell IL (near Champ./UofI/Danville IL/IN state border)

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