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  • #41
    Farmgirl88 you're the one who posted boo-hooing about how awful the Mods were and you're in danger of being banned, merely because you're so caring and concerned.

    How is that not slanted and emotional? It's also not true, since Mod 1 posted what was really discussed.

    The reason I don't post on the 'OMIGAWD SAVE THE HORSES!' threads is because I can't give money or a place for these animals. I'm all full at the inn, so what, other than slinging snot and singing Kumbaya, am I to do?

    Y'know, like the rest of the, "I don't have any money, but you're a SAINT for getting the word out!" crowd does?

    What does THAT do, other than stroke your ego?
    Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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    • #42
      and i ve never named called anyone to dump a horse at an auction without solid proof of paperwork in my hand.i have listed the names of owners/riders/farms the horse had PREVIOUSLY been at via a google search. never once did i say any one farm DUMPED the horse at the sale. that would be entirely out of line. i dont hate the guy who dumpe my horse at the auction
      Actually, I think it's EXTREMELY "out of line" to post the names of previous owners, including minor children, while insinuating that they are responsible for sending those horses to slaughter. Especially when you've been given the name, address, phone number, and email of the trainer in question if you had question's about the (already sold) horse's history. Instead, of you chose to post it on a public bulletin board with a lot of speculation.

      leilatigress, a lot of those have been edited, and unless you've been following farmgirl's MULTIPLE screen names, you won't find them all.

      The exaggeration is so over the top.
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      • #43
        This all reminds me of a recent RHofNY quote: beware of the well-intentioned morons...

        IMHO even some of the 501(c)3 rescues are not what I would give money too... I dont understand how a horse is sold at the auction for $300 and then listed on a website for 1200 broker owned?? These really bother me... rescue or not ... basically its advertising for a horse dealer in a cleverly disguised format. Am I glad that these horses find homes? Yes. Do I want to read threads on every darn website I visit about it? No.

        As someone else so eloquently put: "Take care of your own herd first" then alot of these problems would be eliminated.

        Anything to do with horse slaughter on a horse board is a nightmare and I do not envy the mods of any board on this decision. this is why rescues have their own sites.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Trixie View Post
          Actually, I think it's EXTREMELY "out of line" to post the names of previous owners, including minor children, while insinuating that they are responsible for sending those horses to slaughter. Especially when you've been given the name, address, phone number, and email of the trainer in question if you had question's about the (already sold) horse's history. Instead, of you chose to post it on a public bulletin board with a lot of speculation.

          leilatigress, a lot of those have been edited, and unless you've been following farmgirl's MULTIPLE screen names, you won't find them all.

          The exaggeration is so over the top.
          i have one screen name trixie. the other one i had was from 4 or 5 years ago now. anyone can see the names, previous riders, previous owners, etc of a horse by #1 looking at the papers photographed at the feedlot. i posted the listed owner and breeder name of a TB on the feedlot in PA this week i hopes someone might know the owners/breeder and you dont see anyone jumping on me saying that im claiming the horse came directly from them...thats not what i was saying AT ALL.

          Whatever info i posted about a pony listed on the broker listings was direct links from a post by a person on ABR discussing the pony. i thought id post it here thinking someone might know the pony from showing. you,personally, took the post the wrong way and i aplogize for that

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          • #45
            Originally posted by countrylady View Post
            I agree, EVERYONE should do their part in helping to alleviate "The Unwanted Horse." THis is a horse fourm after all. I see no problem with putting the info out there for people to view. WHO KNOWS, SOMEBODY's NEXT DREAM HORSE COULD BE ON THEIR WAY TO SLAUGHTER! Sad that horse fourms and some breed associations do not do their part. :-/ MAYBE COTH would consider makeing a HORSE RESCUE section that would be FREE.
            I was also going to suggest a horse rescue section, I think it's needed at this point. (However, I do agree with the point made by Mod 1 that fund raising should be a no-no. ABR is a good forum for that).

            My dream horse was headed to slaughter and while I did not find my horse via posts from farmgirl88, I did find her thanks to the efforts made by people just like farmgirl88.

            How bout it Mod 1, will you consider having a Rescue Section if even on a trial basis to see how it goes?
            Last edited by jenm; Jul. 27, 2010, 12:13 PM. Reason: changed a word
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              #46
              Originally posted by SunkenMeadow View Post
              This all reminds me of a recent RHofNY quote: beware of the well-intentioned morons...

              IMHO even some of the 501(c)3 rescues are not what I would give money too... I dont understand how a horse is sold at the auction for $300 and then listed on a website for 1200 broker owned?? These really bother me... rescue or not ... basically its advertising for a horse dealer in a cleverly disguised format. Am I glad that these horses find homes? Yes. Do I want to read threads on every darn website I visit about it? No.

              As someone else so eloquently put: "Take care of your own herd first" then alot of these problems would be eliminated.

              Anything to do with horse slaughter on a horse board is a nightmare and I do not envy the mods of any board on this decision. this is why rescues have their own sites.
              the 1200 horses are the re-sale horse...not the feedlot horses. the 400-800 horses are the feedlot horses. some are marked up, it all depends. currently horse prices are up that the sales and that was recently discussed in another thread about auctions. the new EU regulations are costing more money per horse, etc. it all ads up. some people dont midn the 400,500, 600 prices, somepeople do mind. it all depends. its not everyone's cup of tea; but for those who do take horses or donate towards them its very rewarding. not everyone has to, and im not insinuating that. some people thoroughly enjoy the threads.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by farmgirl88 View Post

                that would be nice and i might consider making my own forum in regards to strictly rescue horses that need homes immediately...
                This board used to have a lot of activity and while it has quieted down a bit, the diehards are still there. Feel free to PM me if you want more info.

                http://rescuesonly.proboards.com/
                Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
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                • #48
                  Whatever info i posted about a pony listed on the broker listings was direct links from a post by a person on ABR discussing the pony. i thought id post it here thinking someone might know the pony from showing. you,personally, took the post the wrong way and i aplogize for that
                  You were posting for information on a pony that was already sold, wasn't in any danger, and you posted the names of minor children. Again. Just because people are spewing it all over ABR doesn't make it acceptable.

                  We told you where to go to find information about the pony (IF, at that point, they would've been willing to speak with you) and you didn't bother to follow up with the trainer.

                  I really fear that you are going to do real damage to legitimate rescues, between the hysterics, the naming names, the incessant bumping of threads.
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                  They're small hearts.

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                  • #49
                    So basically you're doing the exact same thing the mods warned you about repeatedly and you still fail to understand the problem. The fact that you immedietly posted a thread about getting banned and have been posting constantly on it is evidence.

                    You are all over the threads, bumping them up, shaming anyone who has other information, all day long. You don't contain the posts to one thread on one forum and you bicker constantly with every poster. You insinuate that COTHers are bad people if they ask questions about the horses, or if they don't fling money at them.

                    The problem isn't posting horses in need of homes, it's YOU. And you continue to fail to understand this and are quickly working toward getting yourself banned.

                    BACK OFF before nobody can ever post a horse in desperate need again or that will be on your shoulders.

                    I see zero reason for a rescue forum because it will instantly become as much of a trainwreck as ABR. Please recall CBER and the trainwreck that became on this BB.
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                    • #50
                      some people thoroughly enjoy the threads.
                      I can think of one person. Hmmm.

                      Here's a suggestion, one that has already been put forth. Why don't you write a blog (a la Fugly) and put the link to it in your CoTH signature? That way people who wish to be informed of the weekly auction report can find the info easily and you won't be creating a situation where the less incessant actual rescue groups are prevented from using the CoTH granted generosity of posting their infrequent updates.
                      "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                        #51
                        no one can post a desperate horse in need so its all good enjoytheride. i didnt immediately post a thread....i got the warning several days ago and just now decided to post before ac4h listings pop up tomorrow morning

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by farmgirl88 View Post
                          everyone has their own opinion on these horses, and thats fine. whether your pro slaughter or against it, thats fine too. no one can change the slaughter situation but we can at least try to help a few poor souls and that was my goal...to get them noticed.
                          There are thousands like them though. If everyone posted for the rescues in their area, all COTH would be was a rescue outlet.

                          A blog or forum dedicated to the issue would be a better solution.

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                          • #53
                            Regardless of when it the PM was sent, I seem to miss the part of the Mod PM that says you will get banned and that no more feed lot threads will ever be allowed again.
                            Will you be replying about that or ignoring it again?
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                            • #54
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                              • #55
                                There are plenty of rescue focused websites, yahoo groups, and facebook pages/groups that post pictures and details about feedlot and auction horses at risk.

                                The COTH posts I ENJOY reading and writing about are the cases in the works or the average COTHer doing their rescue thing and letting everyone know about it or asking for advise/support. Also groups like TIER, Sunkissed, SCTR, etc who take rescue horses into their programs and I don't mind to read their posts (and actually want to know) when they need help for their program horses.

                                I completely understand where Farmgirl is coming from - she's doing what she think is best- her heart is in the right place but when it comes right down to it... no matter how many horses are 'rescued/saved' from feedlot/auction- more will replace them. It would be better served to get with a rescue and help them work on projects to take in horses in need directly from owners, educate owners, work to place horses in screened/approved homes with a support system behind it.

                                Far too many of the buy from feedlot/kill pen/ auction are rash decisions with no planning. That's a pretty big gamble for a horse already in a dire situation.

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                                • #56
                                  The last thing the place needs is another forum. How about a stickied FAQ topic "Where can I find a rescue horse?" and then provide a list of the best known, most reputable rescues & placement programs out there?

                                  Personally I hate the " We MUST do something NOW" posts because I think they encourage soft hearted people to get in over their heads, and take on more than they really can afford. That doesn't really help anyone, last of all the horses.

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                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
                                    Regardless of when it the PM was sent, I seem to miss the part of the Mod PM that says you will get banned and that no more feed lot threads will ever be allowed again.
                                    Will you be replying about that or ignoring it again?
                                    i have already been temporarily banned not very long ago. so what am i supposed to do ignored their PM and just keep posting? they had told me awhile back to stop posting, and i did, and then i continued to post the links to the horses and i was temporarily banned off of the "no advertising" policy with no warning that i was going to get banned or suspended to my knowledge, whatever term you'd like to use.

                                    there is no gaurantee that their new system they are working on will even allow feedlot threads. they say they are "working on a solution"....i've heard that before. i'm surethey are working on a solution but that doesnt mean its definately going to happen. For now, there is no feedlot/kill pen threads permitted and that could be for eternity as far as im concerned

                                    as far as im concerned the threads regarding 2008 foals, stallion discussions, CANTER links, FL Trainer listing links, any person posting photos or dicussing their horse which can be found as advertised for sale online somewhere is also considered advertising and breaking the "no advertising" policy. its a very vague rule and as far as im concerned you cant punish someone for potentially breaking the rules, while allowing others to do the same without any confrontation....but like i said before...life isnt fair and the efforts must go on

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                                    • #58
                                      Cheese and Rice come on! You have a huge problem with listening. You and your threads and your personal method are the problem, it is the reason you have gotten banned before and are well on your way to getting banned again. STOP.
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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by SuperSTB View Post
                                        There are plenty of rescue focused websites, yahoo groups, and facebook pages/groups that post pictures and details about feedlot and auction horses at risk.

                                        The COTH posts I ENJOY reading and writing about are the cases in the works or the average COTHer doing their rescue thing and letting everyone know about it or asking for advise/support. Also groups like TIER, Sunkissed, SCTR, etc who take rescue horses into their programs and I don't mind to read their posts (and actually want to know) when they need help for their program horses.

                                        I completely understand where Farmgirl is coming from - she's doing what she think is best- her heart is in the right place but when it comes right down to it... no matter how many horses are 'rescued/saved' from feedlot/auction- more will replace them. It would be better served to get with a rescue and help them work on projects to take in horses in need directly from owners, educate owners, work to place horses in screened/approved homes with a support system behind it.

                                        Far too many of the buy from feedlot/kill pen/ auction are rash decisions with no planning. That's a pretty big gamble for a horse already in a dire situation.
                                        i wholeheartedly agree but isnt the efforts to save at least one or two horses better than saving none? We arenever going to win the slaughter battle but the least we can do is try and give a few an extra shot

                                        Double G stables purchased the welsh pony i posted about several weeks ago. the pony turned out to be a stunning example of a small hunter pony/childs show pony and is now being consigned at the Pony Finals sale...a long way away from the feedlot where he was....

                                        amazing things can come out of these situations too...even if its one life saved.

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by farmgirl88 View Post
                                          .... they had told me awhile back to stop posting, and i did, and then i continued to post the links to the horses and i was temporarily banned off of the "no advertising" policy with no warning that i was going to get banned or suspended to my knowledge, whatever term you'd like to use.
                                          Ummmmm.....wouldn't their first request be considered a warning? Just curious. If they asked you to stop once before, why did you start back up?
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