• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

Event Announcements now available FREE to all registered users

We just reconfigured the Event Announcements forum to be available as a free service for all registered forum users. See the thread stuck at the top of that forum for more information.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Horse Dropping to Knees while being ridden

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Horse Dropping to Knees while being ridden

    A friend asked for any comment on this ... 5 YO OTTB (they think) gelding; new to the riding facility; nothing of his background is known.

    Her description: "everything was fine for the first ten
    minutes, he was listening (mostly)... [we]reverse[d], and we'd gone maybe half way around [the arena] and I was bringing him off the rail into the center, and he went down. His legs buckled slowly, and he kept "treading" on his knees, with his nose in the dirt, per everyone watching. I .. got him back up, ... Checked his girth, he was fine, no problems. Got back on
    him, and he started throwing his head and sidestepping everywhere. I got off of him. That was my ride. * * *
    People said it just looked like he fell asleep...."

    I suggested a full vet exam as it sounds physical to me. But any comments welcome.

  • #2
    I don't know if it will help or not, but I had a 26 yr old guy come to me as a companion and the owner wanted to have him still be ridden lightly. The horse had been gamed, evented, pony-clubbed, and even fox hunted till he came to me. I did ride him lightly-mostly just trails for 2 yrs. He did stumble on occasion but when he hit 29, he started going down to his knees at a walk. At first I attributed it to high grass in the fields but when it happened the 2nd time on a short groomed surface I stopped riding him. A yr later, both back suspensories went. We could see it coming slowly even when he came to me at 26. We guessed that because he was hurting behind, he put his weight on the front end, which caused his tripping and finally going down to his knees.
    Sue

    I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

    Comment


    • #3
      Sounds neurological. Lyme Disease damage, narcolepsy, epilepsy, spine/nerve damage; I am sure there are many other possibilites. Only a vet can say. I assume there will be a full vet consulation?
      Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

      Comment


      • #4
        It's possible he's narcoleptic. A vet exam is a good idea.

        I hope he's okay!
        Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
        http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/Jen4USC/fave.jpg
        http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...SC/running.jpg

        Comment


        • #5
          I saw my very own mare apparently fall asleep while the farrier was working on a front leg; when she started to go down he dropped the leg he was holding up and got the heck out of her way and she went down to her knees. And once she's pulled what seemed to be the same stunt while I was riding her at a walk--it was like she started and woke up and stumbled all at the same time--at any rate, one minute we were moseying and the next I was on the ground. Those were the only two times this has happened. Nobody got hurt either time. Its not like she doesnt get a chance to sleep, either, I've caught her flat out as well as recumbent lots of times. And she drowses plenty on her feet, too. Weird.

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            Thanks for the responses so far!

            msj - wow! I never thought of that! Poor ol' guy, but thanks for the input .. I'll definitely pass it along.

            AnotherRound - I hope there will be a full exam, too, but am doubtful. The horse is not my friend's; it belongs to the riding facilty. Seems like they buy horses through a horse trader for as little as possible; I don't think they even vet them before purchase and know not alot is spent on them after they are purchased. They aren't kept horribly, but the conditions aren't 5*. They are lightly ridden. That's about all I know. I'll pass on your thoughts to my friend as well - who knows maybe she can convince them to do a full work up.

            jenm - that's one of the things I was thinking of!

            jeano-I've heard of horses falling asleep with the farrier ... very rarely do I hear of it happening when they are being ridden!

            Comment


            • #7
              We had a cross bred Shetland /Arabian gelding who was a rescue case. We knew the horse trader where he came from and the son of that man said his dad had taken a 2x4 to the horse for some real or imagined wrong doing.
              He ended up at our farm and was very happy to be with our ponies and horses and being treated kindly. He loved the children and my second daughter rode him out on the trails. One day he just dropped to his knees and fell over on his side. My daughter stepped off when he went down and waited for him to gather his wits and get up. He seemed to have a peti-mal seizure.
              I asked the people who knew his history about his falling down and they said he never did it before.
              My vet checked him out and said in his opinion the pony had a concussion and perhaps brain damage from the beating he took.
              He seemed to do better for a while and then it happened again three times in less than a week.
              So he went to a lady who wanted him for a companion for her old horse.
              Get a vet check on this horse. It could be a pinched nerve or ?.
              Be careful with him until you get a prognosis.
              There are so many things it could be.
              Too bad.
              Kind regards, L

              Comment


              • #8
                Long time ago we had a horse in Pony Club who fell asleep during lessons...
                I recommended they not ride him until he was seen and it turned out he was described as narcoleptic. This is very different to the dropping down when standing around when they fall asleep an tumble..these horses only do it when trying to fall asleep., not while being ridden.
                Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

                Comment


                • #9
                  I have seen one do that because he had a huge worm load, and a bellyache.
                  ... _. ._ .._. .._

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    He didn't just stumble coming up off the rail and catch himself on his knees for a few strides? I have seen that happen a lot at the track with babies.
                    Shop online at
                    www.KoperEquine.com
                    http://sweetolivefarm.com/services.php

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I'd have the vet do a neurological work up on the horse, if he were mine. There are many things it could be. Better check it out. Better safe than sorry.

                      Good luck.

                      Comment

                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        Thanks everyone, I'll pass on the suggestions/comments.

                        Just to reiterate, this is not my friend's horse; it's a horse she rides at a lesson barn. The barn owner does not necessarily want to get a vet out, but hopefully wtih EVERYONE saying a vet check is imparative, she'll get off her duff and get one out there.

                        vbunny, no, according to my friend, he didn't stumble, he just went straight down. They had already turned off rail at a walk and were walking the other direction when he fell. She also says he's not unbalanced and goes easily both directions.

                        Sure hope they can figure out what's going on with him!

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I had a QH with HYPP do that. Also PSSM is a possibility.
                          The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Search the forum for "vagus", as in vagus nerve in previous posts. There's a problem that exists.

                            here's a quote from another forum: "The vagal nerve is a large parasympathetic nerve that runs right under the girth area. Parasympathetic nerves slow systems down. When the vagal nerve is stimulated it decreases the heart rate which lowers the blood pressure and can cause the horse to faint (or almost so). This is more common in thin skinned breeds. To prevent the horse fainting you have to get his heart rate up but walking him a short way inbetween tightening the girth. Cinch up a bit, walk, cinch up more, walk. Just a few steps will do it."

                            Since you say this horse is new to your facility, it could be as simple as a poor fitting saddle/girth. Hopefully that's all it is but a vet visit is a good idea.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              my first thought was saddle pressure on withers / spine. Obviously get the freaking vet out, but that is something they could check right now on their own.

                              You keep saying it's not her horse, she just rides there. Sorry but she clearly can see the problem, knows their habits and knows that they deprive horses of needed vet care. So she can't say she wasn't aware. And yet she still supports them by paying?

                              She needs to find a new stable, because you can't have it both ways. Can't say I'm not guilty but then keep giving the guilty party money to keep doing what they're doing.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X