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Update to Forum Rules: Criminal Allegations

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New Game: Troll Bingo

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  • New Game: Troll Bingo

    I'm thinking we develop a COTH Bingo game card, and once a thread hits on all of these elements, we yell TROLL BINGO!
    • OP’s prior post count is < 5
    • Horse has "trust issues" from prior "abuse"
    • Horse loves OP so much, and it’s just being jealous/protective
    • Powerless OP is up against malevolent BO/BM/Trainer/Parent
    • Topic is similar to prior train wrecks on COTH
    • There is obvious risk to horse or rider that no reasonable person would allow
    • Each post adds new layer of information to keep fanning the flames
    • Rejects all solutions offered by COTH
    • Extra credit: Natural Horsemanship references
    The center square could be: Poor grammar post on a years-old thread, and includes link to a product. That one gets BINGO automatically.

  • #2
    Define troll?

    Is this a completely invented post meant to fan the flames?

    Or is it someone that clearly needs more help on more levels than we can give but gets defensive when offered sensible advice? Or who is not being entirely honest about situation for a variety of reasons?

    I think it would take a high degree of creative writing savvy to ventriloquize the latter through several exchanges.

    I tend to think that a teen composing a totally fake post wouldn't quite be able to maintain that precise level of cray and would be more likely to come up with a shock horror story and then bail from the thread.

    On the other hand, people can have real problems and lie about the details like pretend a lesson horse is their own horse or that they are adults when they are teens or that they are experienced but need to know how to put on a halter. They are all over the other horse forum.


    • #3
      Bonus line every time you read

      "you don't know me or my horse"

      Lighten up Scribbler no fanning that I see, more funning.
      "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

      "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig


      • #4
        Originally posted by KBC View Post
        Bonus line every time you read

        "you don't know me or my horse"

        Lighten up Scribbler no fanning that I see, more funning.


        • #5
          Added bonus for my horse and I are a team. He has opinions about going into the corner of the arena. I respect him and that’s why we ride on circle in the other half of the arena.
          http://theotherboard.boards.net/ An OT forum for CoTHers to give our dear Mods a break


          • #6
            Here, I made some bingo cards.

            I am certainly not above having a laugh about the spectacular trolling that this forum seems to attract (a la tazycat/sassy45, or the YouTube dressage tutorial girl, or the folks with Nigerian Prince grammar who drop product links in dead threads).

            Also seems easier and perhaps kinder to just shout BINGO! when your spidey sense is tingling than to preface every response with, "If it's even possible that this insane post describes a real situation..."
            Evolutionary science by day; keeping a certain red mare from winning a Darwin award the rest of the time!


            • #7
              My horse loves me and would never hurt me. ...even though he has already taken off/gotten loose/fired out in my general direction/given me concussion/knocked me over/dumped me on the ground.

              ...tbh, sounds like the very first pony I (well, parents) leased. I fell off every day, sometimes multiple times a day. I did not know this was not normal or not the usual part of the learning curve. I loved that sucker. Well, I think I was the sucker. I was in a lesson program, which was probably the only thing that got me through this experience relatively unhurt, despite that they had me ride/lease this pony in the first place. At least he was fine on the ground. Another school string pony was not (bit when being tacked up. I have a scar from that), but better under saddle.


              • #8
                Add also that no one else can catch the horse.
                It also bucks everyone else but that super horse whisperer poster.

                I tend to fall for those, sigh ...


                • #9
                  Last edited by x-halt-salute; Jul. 10, 2018, 03:46 PM. Reason: Duplicate due to posts disappearing into the unapproved post void for a while
                  Evolutionary science by day; keeping a certain red mare from winning a Darwin award the rest of the time!


                  • Original Poster

                    Scribbler just going for some levity. These types of posts do mysteriously coincide with school breaks, though. When a post hits ALL the usual COTH buttons, it’s not unreasonable to suspect it’s someone who’s bored and looking for entertainment in the form of a big pile-on.


                    • #11
                      OP has incontinence issues


                      • #12
                        These are funny

                        Can I add 'murky ownership details' and 'no there was no contract'?


                        • #13
                          the double bonus square is for the phantom house guest
                          -- * > hoopoe
                          Procrastinate NOW
                          Introverted Since 1957


                          • #14
                            Perhaps a square for Stream of Consciousness novels, extra cred for no paragraphs. And some kind of prize for the patient readers who manage to deconstruct same enough to make sense of it.


                            • #15
                              How i feel reading these posts:

                              riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs. Sir Tristram, violer d’amores, fr’over the short sea, had passen-core rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy isthmus of Europe Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war: nor had topsawyer’s rocks by the stream Oconee exaggerated themselse to Laurens County’s gorgios while they went doublin their mumper all the time: nor avoice from afire bellowsed mishe mishe to tauftauf thuartpeatrick not yet, though venissoon after, had a kidscad buttended a bland old isaac: not yet, though all’s fair in vanessy, were sosie sesthers wroth with twone nathandjoe. Rot a peck of pa’s malt had Jhem or Shen brewed by arclight and rory end to the regginbrow was to be seen ringsome on the aquaface. The fall (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonner-ronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenth ur — nuk!) of a once wallstrait oldparr is retaled early in bed and later on life down through all christian minstrelsy. The great fall of the offwall entailed at such short notice the pftjschute of Finnegan, erse solid man, that the humptyhillhead of humself prumptly sends an unquiring one well to the west in quest of his tumptytumtoes: and their upturnpikepointandplace is at the knock out in the park where oranges have been laid to rust upon the green since dev-linsfirst loved livvy. What clashes here of wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishy-gods! Brékkek Kékkek Kékkek Kékkek! Kóax Kóax Kóax! Ualu Ualu Ualu! Quaouauh! so should I get the blue saddle pad or just quit riding altogether?
                              Let me apologize in advance.


                              • #16
                                Thanks Ladyj79, I was trying to explain "word salad" to my sister, but didn't want to go through a search for one.


                                • #17
                                  This is my new favorite game - I'll bring the chips! - and THANKS!


                                  • #18
                                    I'll train him with my LOVE!


                                    • #19
                                      No paragraphs, but really, really needs them.
                                      "I'm not always sarcastic. Sometimes I'm asleep." - Harry Dresden

                                      Amy's Stuff - Rustic chic and country linens and decor
                                      Support my mom! She's gotta finance her retirement horse somehow.


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Chall View Post
                                        Thanks Ladyj79, I was trying to explain "word salad" to my sister, but didn't want to go through a search for one.
                                        I can't really take credit, it's Finnegan's Wake with one line by me
                                        Let me apologize in advance.