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  • #21
    He looks all paint, wondering why he doesn't has papers.
    So, maybe he is grade, as they told you, part TB, although any TB is not evident to me.

    His body shape doesn't seem to be gaited, wrong neck and head attachment into that neck, wrong head and hindend muscling, more the quarter horse type.

    Any time you have a quarter horse type grade horse that should have papers, especially one that is still green at seven, so may not been ridden much, I would test for HYPP just in case.
    If not worried about that, sure if you start having issues with sweating, choking or any other strange stuff.
    Not very apt to be, but just covering all your bases.

    Remember that horses don't always look the same in pictures as in real life and also they change with how we ride and manage them too, some times bringing surprises.

    He sure looks like a nice prospect and as for the breed/s in him, without papers, it is all a pure guess, so enjoy him for who he is as an individual.

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    • #22
      Looking at the pictures - look at the difference in the shoulder set. The shoulder/chest is all paint - strong, setback a little bit, very solid chest. The SSH shoulder is more forward without that big bulky chest.

      He's a beautiful paint. I also question if/why he isn't registered. A Paint/TB cross is registerable as long as both parents are registered with their respective registries (APHA and Jockey Club).
      If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
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        #23
        Neither I nor the previous owners are having luck contacting the original owners (ugly divorce situation I am told). I was just concerned that the funky 4 beat canter he can fall into might be some gait unfamiliar to me. I will take some undersaddle video and further analyze.
        Now I am freakin' about the HYPP. He does sweat alot while being worked, but no tremor/tying up, etc...I will look into it.
        Thanks for the feedback.
        Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

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        • #24
          If he was at all western pleasure trained, that 4-beat can be a trained thing. I also have an AQHA registered, western pleasure bred and trained gelding who is fully gaited - he has both a lateral pace and a 4 beat amble.
          If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by schimmel View Post
            I was just concerned that the funky 4 beat canter he can fall into might be some gait unfamiliar to me.
            Yes, that very often can come from someone trying to train the horse to be a western pleasure horse and doing a poor job of it, trying to make to horse go super slow before they are strong enough to do so.

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              #26
              If so, will it be a real stumbling block to correct dressage training? He certainly looks like a western horse, so I can see that someone might have tried to make him one. But he naturally moves large and free so I can also see someone getting frustrated with trying to box him in, so to speak. He does take contact with the snaffle and doesn't fall into a "head seat" where he just holds his head and doesn't seek contact.
              He is a mystery...but a fun, willing, sweet one.
              Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

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              • #27
                Eh, yes and no. It might take a little longer because you will have to encourage the canter and discourage the four beat. You will want to really encourage forward and not stress slowing down/collection until he's strong enough to not four beat. If he has a canter, then you just encourage that. With Tommy - for example teaching him that I want trot instead of a lateral pace - it was just a lot of consistency. Ask for trot, if he'd pace, he'd get taken back down to a walk, then immediately asked for a trot again. Eventually I got the trot 90% of the time, with the pace really only showing up when he was stressed or very tired.

                His canter vs. amble had more issues, as he also had wobbles, and rarely ever had a true canter. Funny thing is - I "retired" him to my parents to be a trail horse, and he's now ridden 3-4x per week instead of 3x per month, and he's developed enough strength that his amble is nearly non-existent. So I think if I'd had the patience and ability to really focus on building the strength at the canter he obviously would have been fine.

                So really, if it's a trained thing (and I bet it is), encourage forward and building strength is what you'll need to do. But that's the basis of dressage anyway - you don't ask for collection until they have forward and strength!
                If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
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                  #28
                  Kate66- is that a joke?? If so, it took me about 20 minutes to figure it out but when I did, I was howling! I was like, how in the heck would they know if it was a green rider, I blocked the rider out.....Oh, GREEN rider!!!
                  Ha-ha-ha-ha.
                  Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by schimmel View Post
                    Kate66- is that a joke?? If so, it took me about 20 minutes to figure it out but when I did, I was howling! I was like, how in the heck would they know if it was a green rider, I blocked the rider out.....Oh, GREEN rider!!!
                    Ha-ha-ha-ha.
                    I also thought that was a cute remark.

                    That looks like a very nice horse and if his disposition is as nice, you both are lucky.

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                    • #30
                      I would go ahead with the HYPP test just for piece of mind, but I'm sure you're fine. As for the sweating - um, it's been 95* and HUMID, so of COURSE he is!! LOL And, he's probably still a bit out of shape, so don't worry too much...I would still bet that is the biggest issue with the canter.... and YES, you can train out a bad WP lope
                      Concordia means "Harmony" in Latin.
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                        #31
                        The hair's already in the mail, so to speak. I am sending a sample to UC Davis for HYPP testing. He has always been a "sweater" since I got him in May. But then he was overweight and completely out of shape. It is a uniform sweat all over his body and, as I said, no evidence of tying up/sore muscles, etc. So, fingers crossed he is negative.
                        Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by schimmel View Post
                          The hair's already in the mail, so to speak. I am sending a sample to UC Davis for HYPP testing. He has always been a "sweater" since I got him in May. But then he was overweight and completely out of shape. It is a uniform sweat all over his body and, as I said, no evidence of tying up/sore muscles, etc. So, fingers crossed he is negative.

                          I'm sure you have nothing to worry about. Most out of shape, chubby horses sweat when put back into real work Speaking of UC Davis, I've been wanting to send in a sample for Davi to have them confirm his genetic color
                          Concordia means "Harmony" in Latin.
                          Full Time Dressage Addict

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Tif_Ann View Post
                            *shrug* he looks like a paint to me. Stocky neck and back, big paint head. If there's TB, I see it in the lighter build of his legs, and somewhat in the angle of his hips. I'm sorry, but I don't see SSH at all! He looks a LOT like one of our paints, my sister is looking for a conformation shot.
                            Agreed. Looks paint to me. I would never think SSH.
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                              #34
                              Okay, just rode again and videotaped. The canter is three beat, but with very little air time-thank goodness for slow-mo video. It is a very comfortable ride, but I know we will need to improve "jump" and carrying power behind. No 4-beats today, yea! Part of that is getting to be brave enough to say "Forward, Darn it!" when I still feel like precision steering and crisp transitions are not confirmed. This is exciting!
                              Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
                                He looks lovely. No suggestions on breed but if he's a greenie then I wouldn't have that green rider on him.
                                2012 goal: learn to ride like a Barn Rat

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                                • #36
                                  You can register him in the Pinto association.
                                  Any horse with paint patches can be registered with them and you can then show him in those breed shows.
                                  The Pinto association is big about the South of the Midwest, they have many shows.

                                  He is a really nice looking horse.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by schimmel View Post
                                    Okay, just rode again and videotaped. The canter is three beat, but with very little air time-thank goodness for slow-mo video. It is a very comfortable ride, but I know we will need to improve "jump" and carrying power behind. No 4-beats today, yea! Part of that is getting to be brave enough to say "Forward, Darn it!" when I still feel like precision steering and crisp transitions are not confirmed. This is exciting!
                                    Very cool! Forward first ... always! You can't get solid, crisp transitions until they have the strength and forward
                                    If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
                                    ~ Maya Angelou

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Tif_Ann View Post
                                      Very cool! Forward first ... always! You can't get solid, crisp transitions until they have the strength and forward
                                      Right.
                                      Starting colts in Europe, we spent six months forward and straight, with much trail riding, before we started asking them to carry themselves a little bit and by then, they did so with good impulsion, you didn't have to work so hard for that.
                                      Those were most four year olds.

                                      The same retraining horses that were "just ridden", not trained.

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                                      • #39
                                        http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/l...astureshot.jpg

                                        here is my guy a cross between dutch WB and arab. I see some similarity in the head although my guy is much smaller. The Dutch side supplied the color.
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                                          #40
                                          It's more the slow, oozing downward transitions that concern me. I have a fear of runaways/bolters. This guy has shown none of that but doesn't show a clear response to my down trans. aids either. So saying "Let go for it" in canter is, for me, a leap of faith that he isn't just going to wind up and wind up and end up galloping uncontrollable and/or cut a turn really sharply and off I go. For some reason, and I try hard to fight it, my imagination often gets the best of me. But this guy is gaining my trust day by day.
                                          Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

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