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  • #21
    I Like EXCITEMENT ~

    I like a "game" horse/ pony ~ I like excitement ~ not naughty but ALIVE ~ if there is a spook I expect the horse to spook ... you know what I mean....
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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    • #22
      I expect 100% attention at all times. No playful bucking or leaping, no silly spooking, just 100% attention. I am strict but I also believe in rewarding like crazy for good work with either a sugar cube, a nice pat, or just finishing the work and hacking out.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
        I've checked other.

        I want a horse with a bit of something about it that can think for itself and I've no problem at all if they one has a banana round something scary or puts in a buck out of excitement.

        Whether I even bother to correct would be dependent on the circumstances and if it's just daft moment.
        yeah tend to agree with this to

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        • #24
          Of course I expect good behavior 100% of the time. Horse is on the timeclock and is expected to do his job. However, if I don't actually get 100%, I don't get mad; I just discipline appropriately and life goes on.

          I am strict because I feel it's more fair to the horse when my expectations are consistent.

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          • #25
            I went with 100%, because there was no 98% slot. We don't put up with playing when the tack is on horse. He is turned out daily, has HIS OWN TIME to act like an idiot. When we have a lead on or he is tacked up, this is MY TIME, and he needs to behave.

            The 2% is for if horse gets genuinely frightened, or startled. He is not playing with me, acting badly because he is not happy. Expectations of horse can vary with training, but he is not being a jerk at ANY time. If he is having a bad day, can't pay attention well, then our session is short, ending on a good note of something he can do well. Could be backing up, stopping when told! Then he is petted, put back in stall or turned out.

            We only have horses we like to own, no peabrains among them. We have them because we enjoy working with them, they like us too, so it makes getting the horses out enjoyable on both sides.

            We have already gone thru tack fit, equipment adjustments, so horse has NO EXCUSES for bad behaviour, pain issues, when he is worked. They each get a good warmup, where we can spot a problem is something has developed since the last work. Shoes fit well, have the right sort for jobs we ask so horse can be forward in his work. Take away excuses, horse then needs to be doing his part in this working partnership.

            None of our horses are dead robots, accepting of abuse. They are willing to do as asked, WHEN asked, and will try 120% in the effort. They forgive us our errors, but give you the "look" so you know they saved your rearend AGAIN! You apologise, and as partners, try again.

            Have to say they are lovely horses to take places, use anywhere. BUT they got that way with consistant handling, our NOT accepting of even ONE TIME of goofing around or cute-but-naughty behaviour during our handling times. Give them an inch, they will take the WHOLE MILE, very smart animals.

            I am always surprised at how badly some horses act and owners keep finding excuses for that behaviour instead of correcting it. They have no standard of excellence for horse to live up to! Other folks watching us work with and around our animals always compliment us on how well they behave, but can't understand that the GOOD comes from not allowing bad things to happen while handling them.

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            • #26
              I chose once in a while for my personal horse. He can be anxious, and most of the time it's better if I ignore his little "moments" and just keep him going forward. He's generally a pretty good guy for a 7 y.o. TB so I'll forgive his occasional bucks (they're really pretty sad, anyway) or the odd spook.

              However, I am not opposed to disciplining him if he does something silly twice. Once is an accident with him, twice isn't.
              I love my Econo-Nag!

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              • #27
                Like others, I think there is a big difference between feeling good and being a jerk. With a horse who is known to lean towards the latter, there is no wiggle room. On a reasonable but hot, athletic or cheerful horse, I do not mind kick line of glee every now and then.

                One of the happiest days of my recent life was when the mare squealed and bucked in a canter transition a couple of days after a chiro appointment. She really loves to canter and we'd been sticking to w/t recently as she'd been NQR. She is 21, well trained and very rational. She was just so danged HAPPY she couldn't contain herself. It made me happy that she was feeling that good. I probably would have let her do it again.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by goodhors View Post
                  Other folks watching us work with and around our animals always compliment us on how well they behave, but can't understand that the GOOD comes from not allowing bad things to happen while handling them.
                  Hah, I get that a lot from beginners, especially the precious Poopsie types. "How do you get your horse to be so good?"

                  I just smile and wink and say it's because I'm really mean to him.

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                  • #29
                    I expect civility when the horse is being handled. That means horse does what is asked without complaint. I neither ask for nor expect pocket pony affection, but if there's any snarking or "eff you, don't feel like doing that today," there will be consequences.

                    The older I get (and the busier life gets), the less inclined I am to deal with nonsense. Some things are OK ... I can deal with pushiness on the ground, being mouthy, etc., but I don't do horses whose first reaction to something hard or scary is a total meltdown. Horses who go to level 10 quickly are not horses I am going to deal with.

                    I do tend to look for pain as a reason for misbehavior, but once that's been ruled out, the nonsense better stop quickly.
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                    • #30
                      I train horses for kids. They have to be solid citizens, no questions asked. No funny business at all when being handled. What they do on their own time is their own business.

                      That being said, they are escape artists by nature, so it's nothing to come in to the barn in the morning and find the current little monster in training wandering around the aisle, or have them greet me in the driveway (doesn't happen often since we put the super low to ground hotwire, but before when it was *normal* height.... yea....). They have their own fun, and are a blast to handle, but I want any 6 year old to be able to get them out of a feild, tack them up, and take them out *almost* on their own.
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                      • #31
                        I don't expect 100% perfection from my horse because I am not a 100% perfect rider. As long as any bad behaviour isn't a habit, I'm OK with it. I think the best horses are the ones that think and try new things. I like it when they have enough brains and confidence to try something new or tell me when I'm doing something wrong. I guess the quality I prize most in my horses is a good work ethic. When I ask for something I want them to give me an honest try, whether its the right or the wrong answer.
                        I took my super quiet mare to her first games day this weekend. Since we're only just getting leads reliably I was thrilled that she offered a change on her own at the appropriate moment. I didn't really ask for it - I was ready to go to a trot between poles, but I am pleased she had the initiative to try it out. On the other hand the celebratory bucking spree at the end of the pattern was funny but definitely poor behaviour and addressed as such

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                        • #32
                          I expect my horse to behave. I don't want to worry how they will react to different things. The reason I ride is for fun. It is not fun if your horse is jigging or throwing in a buck for the heck of it unexpectedly.

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                          • #33
                            I agree with Thomas and Shawnee.

                            It really depends on the sitation. A couple of weeks ago one of my greenies was standing at the end of the arena when a girl got bucked off and landed at her front feet. Then her gelding ran up behind my mare. She lashed out and kicked the fence and then kind of lept up out of there. I gave her a pat for being actually pretty good considering all that happened.

                            Rearing is an absolute no no and I can't think of too many situations in which it would be allowed. Having a little buck depends. When the 15yo ex- steeplechaser who was never supposed to be riding sound, has a little buck and has little spooks I never pass a remark. He's feeling good and has earned the right. Nothing he does is in naughtiness. The younger horses are not allowed to get away with much, but feeling happy in a controlled manner is not punishable. By that I don't mean big bucks or spooking half way across a field. Just depends on many factors but I always keep in mind the things Shawnee has said which is riding time is professional time and they have plenty of their own time to mess about.

                            Terri
                            COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

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                            • #34
                              it depends on why there is a buck or play, but like lcw and others said, there's usually less slack for a youngster. I'm a little more sensitive to that since I split my rides between my 18 year old that I've owned and shown for almost 15 years and my 3 year old who I've put 120 days under saddle. I can pretty much read the old horse most of the time and if he wants to porpoise or play every now and then, it's almost always because he's incredibly pleased with a jump. The 3 year old may be the same way, but we will be laying down the law for a while longer until he learns it is a privilege, not a right (and a privilege he has in no way earned yet).
                              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                              • #35
                                Voted other. I want my horses to have some personality and fire about them. I don't want a dead-head push button that can't think for itself. But I don't want outright dangerous and disobedient either. Ordinary pizazz and spirit is fine, and it's a big reason I love Arabians. They're just fiery enough to give an exhilerating ride, but they are obedient and want to please their human.

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                                • #36
                                  Other people's horses get a little more leeway

                                  My own horses were always expected to behave like angels, and mostly acted accordingly, save for the horsey "moments" when they reminded me to expect the unexpected

                                  When riding someone else's horse, I am more inclined to ignore annoying ground behaviors like treat greediness or cross-tie mouthiness, and try to ride tactfully without picking any fights. I have had to spank other people's ponies for REALLY bad behavior, like running out at fences, but I am loathe to be forceful with someone else's animals unless absolutely necessary.
                                  The journey is the destination.

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                                  • #37
                                    My last horse was the kindest most willing to please horse ever and she was never “nasty naughty” but she did like throw in a couple rocking horse bucks after a nice jumping round or something new and fun. Never did it unless she fed off my excitement so I wasn’t caught off guard. She knew the moment to stop fooling around, though.

                                    Sold her to someone who mostly trail rode and I went out with her on my mare about two years after she bought her. Popped a couple coops and logs and nearly got dumped a few times, when the horse and never even gotten close to unseating me in the 5 years I had her. I commented that she must really miss jumping and the new owner said she’d jumped all those fences 100 times without a single offer of foolishness.

                                    Obviously, it was just our thing because she never bucked with any of my trainers and the new owner said she never thought about it again after my ride. I voted once in a while but it was really based on that horse and how she never took advantage.

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                                    • #38
                                      I checked "almost every ride".

                                      I don't like it or encourage it, but it happens.... and I tolerate it.

                                      If "tolerate" includes a one rein stop, a smack over the crest, and a torrent of bad words.

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                                      • #39
                                        each and every time you even look at! handle and especially ride... horse needs to be a respectful citizen which means, with young/green horses, there should be alotta corrections/discipline.

                                        of course, this doesnt mean you dictate where each and every footfall goes... a spook is a spook, and misunderstanding happens... these are corrections that need to be made.... right?

                                        now naughtyness and mean behavior is NEVER tolerated... even a playful buck is corrected with a half-halt or being sent forward. Now pinned ears, kicking, biting is DISCIPLINED! whther its from pain or otherwise, it is disciplined.

                                        It's a horse lol they like to play, they have a mind of their own... you know how you get those horses that are happy, willing and a joy to ride? they are the ones who are disciplined and corrected kindly, yet still allowed to have their own personality... altho, i've heard that sometimes the 'come-to-jesus' gives a horse more personality and comes out a better citizen lol

                                        so... to sum it up... a horse is a horse lol
                                        Carol and Princess Dewi

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                                        • #40
                                          I checked "other" because it depends on the horse and it depends on the bad behavior at issue.

                                          With my own young, green horse, I let some minor things go and I aggressively correct other things. He went through a rearing phase about a year ago. That was corrected mightily and he was put into full training for a while until it was worked out. Any inkling of a rear is addressed immediately and not in a subtle way at all.

                                          Other things? A slight spook, for example? I'll let that go unless he's just being a jerk about it. But if it is a legitimate spook, I'll just ride through it like it did not happen and it rarely happens again. To me, that's just part of being a flight animal.

                                          Bolting, severe bucking, etc. (so far, none of which he does) get corrected immediately and are not tolerated to any degree. For me, the key is to know the horse and know whether the behavior is an "f you", a feel good thing, a pain thing, or a green thing. With my horse and others that I ride frequently, I can almost always tell the difference and react accordingly. If it is one I ride less frequently, I'm more likely to default to thinking that it is an "f you" and react as such. I will later investigate, however, to make sure it is not pain. But the bottom line is that they don't get to bolt, rear, try to buck me off, etc. even if there is a pony apocolypse occurring!

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