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  • Horse stuck at trainers barn under quarantine

    If anyone has followed my training woes, here's more...

    My lovely little 6 yr old gelding is currently at my barn owner/managers mother in law's farm for 60 days. The entire experience has not felt right to me and with each passing day, it gets worse. I

    ​​​BO and fellow boarder brought their horses to trainers for 5 weeks and are now home. My guy is still there. Main issue with her is poor communication from her (doesn't answer texts in her weekends) and me not riding or being involved in my horses training. I've been on horse once for 20 min and saw her work him once. Just supposed to drop him off, trust her and let her work her magic. It's been really hard and I'm trying to wait out the final 3 weeks. But...I want so badly to just go get my horse. I felt a bit better yesterday after finally getting lessons confirmed for later this week. I start to feel better thinking maybe in these next few weeks, things will come together...yeah right.

    Today, I find out trainers horse is very sick - fever, lethargy, hind end issues. Vet thinks Neuro issue or pasture accident. Great...I immediately think EPM, West nile or EHV. Trainer does not vaccinate her horses either. Lovely. I do vaccinate. Per trainer, my horse has had no contact with hers as they do not share same pasture or paddock. So she doesn't want me coming there (I have my other horse at barn owners). Lessons are cancelled and I can't even see my horse. We are awaiting test results from UW at the moment.

    ​​​​​I'm very scared and super pissed. I'm upset I trusted this woman. I feel guilty i put my horse in this position where he may be exposed to an infectious illness. I'm mad this training has been a complete joke and I have not gotten what I wanted. I'm taking my horse home as soon as I can and will ask for a partial refund for this week and the remainder of the month. I'm so upset and have cried my eyes out. How could this have all gone so wrong??!! This entire experience has been horrible. BO and fellow boarder are horrified and feel it's been a bad experience for them as well.

    Please help me through the anxiety of not seeing my horse or knowing what he may have been exposed to or when I'll get him home. I'm worried sick.

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    How do you know the training has been a useless if you haven't ridden the horse yet? Maybe he will be wonderful.

    Surely you agreed to whatever time span and set up when you sent the horse there. Maybe now you have second thoughts about whether that was optimal. But it was your choice at the time. Don't beat yourself up over that.

    As far as the infectious disease, if your horse is vaccinated he should be safe. If these insect vector diseases are in your area, it does not take close contact or even being on the same farm to catch them. They aren't like strangles.

    Unclear what precisely the other folks agree is a night mare. Did they not find the training as promised?

    At any rate, blowing up emotionally in a situation like this is counter productive because it prevents you from thinking clearly about the next step, and increases the chance your next move will be reactive to this situation.

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    • #3
      I'm not sure why your horse is quarantined at this place. What is the disease he is being quarantined for? Pay up your training weeks, anything over that, you can just ask him to be turned out until you can pick him up, and pay basics. Yes, you would do better to get lessons yourself to go with the training, but if that isn't going to happen, pay up, and lesson learned. You'll do well spending your money on your own lessons with someone else, apparently. Find out from the vet who is involved at that barn what everything means for your horse. So far, there is nothing you said which affects other horses in the barn, so your post is confusing to me.
      My warmbloods have actually drunk mulled wine in the past. Not today though. A drunk warmblood is a surly warmblood. - WildandWickedWarmbloods

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      • #4
        Can you call the vet and get actual facts.

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        • #5
          Of those, only EHV is communicable horse to horse, and it's something that, realistically, can show up in entirely closed populations regardless of vaccination if a horse has been exposed at any point (and almost all of them have). So while it's scary, it's also part of having horses. Not something to feel guilty about.

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          • #6
            I would call the vet involved, and if they are QT'd for EHV or the other things that would mean the State Vet afaik.
            I would want to hear it from that Vet... and actually if you google you can likely find an alert about it if in fact the state Vet has issued a QT for that barn/area, for one of those diseases.

            There's nothing here, but that doesn't mean there's not a QT in place.
            http://www.equinediseasecc.org/alerts/outbreaks
            Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

            http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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            • #7
              First of all, you need to take a more active role in the horse’s training, even if he is at the trainer’s. You should be there regularly, checking on progress throughout the stay, even if you don’t ride the horse, but she rides him for you. If this does not work for the trainer, find another trainer!

              This is going to sound harsh, but YOU, in the end, are responsible for putting YOUR horse in this situation. As owners, it is our responsibility to do the best for our horses, and that includes care in training situations. If someone told me to drop my horse off and wait for the magic to happen, and show up in 8 weeks to see the magic, my horse would not be with them. Too many things can go wrong in that period of time.

              Secondly, why would you put your horse with someone who does not vaccinate? Especially with training horses going in and out of a barn!

              Thirdly, is this a state imposed quarantine that the horse cannot be moved? If it is not, I would go pick up the horse IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner. Find another place to quarantine him. Most vets have stalls set up for quarantine, as well as other facilities that bring horses in and out. It might cost you a fair amount to do so, but it is better than costing you the health or life of the horse.

              If someone told me not to come see my horse, I would be showing up on their doorstep as soon as possible. With a truck and trailer, and the ability to document through photos and video what conditions of the farm are and what condition my horse is in. If the vet thinks this is an injury or neuro issue, there should be no problem getting your horse.
              "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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              • #8
                My barn was quarantined last summer for 90 days for strangles. No horses had been off property in the 6 months prior. After some investigation, we believe a farrier brought it in on his tools as he visited a farm which was quarantined 6 days later (he was not aware). Anyways, the state vet had the entire barn on quarantine/lock down for 90 days because you have to go 30 days with no one running a fever, and the one horse who got it had a rough time of it. She did eventually recover.

                Since I was the one who feeds horses in all the separate pastures and both the front and back barn, I had to follow strict biosecurity measures. It was a pain in the butt, but no other horses got it, even though the mare was in the general population 2 days into her fever before diagnosed. All the other horses were vaccinated, this owner didn't believe in vaccinating for strangles so her mare was not vaccinated.

                If he is vaccinated, he SHOULD be ok if its EHV. Mosquito borne illnesses are just that, spread through mosquitos. Not transferable from horse to horse.

                I would call the vet and get the facts myself. Calm down, take a deep breath, and realize this is part of owning horses. I am confused, though, about your not being able to go visit him. All of the horse owners at the barn I board at were able to come out, just had to follow the biosecurity protocol in place.

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                • #9
                  I see no reason you can't go see your horse, quarantine or not. You can take necessary precautions in and around the barn. Take extra clothes and shoes and change out if necessary once you've been there, bag up your clothes and shoes and clean them separately at home or what ever is protocol.

                  I agree with calling the vet that sees your horse at the trainers barn and ask what is going on and if you can remove your horse.

                  When sending horses to trainers, be involved (as other's have said). You are the paying customer, you have a right and need to check on your horse and see how things are going. Nothing and no ones should say you can't go ride and enjoy your horse while in training and check on it.

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                    Originally posted by cutter99 View Post
                    First of all, you need to take a more active role in the horse’s training, even if he is at the trainer’s. You should be there regularly, checking on progress throughout the stay, even if you don’t ride the horse, but she rides him for you. If this does not work for the trainer, find another trainer!

                    This is going to sound harsh, but YOU, in the end, are responsible for putting YOUR horse in this situation. As owners, it is our responsibility to do the best for our horses, and that includes care in training situations. If someone told me to drop my horse off and wait for the magic to happen, and show up in 8 weeks to see the magic, my horse would not be with them. Too many things can go wrong in that period of time.

                    Secondly, why would you put your horse with someone who does not vaccinate? Especially with training horses going in and out of a barn!

                    Thirdly, is this a state imposed quarantine that the horse cannot be moved? If it is not, I would go pick up the horse IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner. Find another place to quarantine him. Most vets have stalls set up for quarantine, as well as other facilities that bring horses in and out. It might cost you a fair amount to do so, but it is better than costing you the health or life of the horse.

                    If someone told me not to come see my horse, I would be showing up on their doorstep as soon as possible. With a truck and trailer, and the ability to document through photos and video what conditions of the farm are and what condition my horse is in. If the vet thinks this is an injury or neuro issue, there should be no problem getting your horse.
                    Whoa....I am actively involved and out there 2-3 times a week with him- even though it's not productive in the training sense. My whole issue is that the trainer does not like actively involved owners and prefers to do her own thing and hand them back. If you want a passive owner, I am not your gal.I try to respect the trainer's wishes but still be involved but it's hard when she won't really let you be and won't commit to lessons, etc. Last week I was gone for work, came out on Saturday to see my boy, she was on her deck, saw me and went into the house without ever coming to talk to me or check in. yeah, thanks. Not much you can do with that.

                    It's on me for not asking if trainer vaccinates. Honestly, with my BO and friend sending their horses there too, I didn't even think about this issue.

                    This is not a state imposed quarantine- this is from the trainer and/or her vet who advised no horse should leave the property until they know what her horse has. My BO would probably appreciate having an all clear before accepting my guy back.

                    I paid and committed to 30 days upfront. Then trainer said horse would need more time so I verbally agreed to June 30th.

                    I agree with your thought and feeling about being told I can't see my horse. Honestly that is the hardest part right now.

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                    • #11
                      Have you spoken directly to the vet?
                      "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                      • #12
                        It sounds like what you want out of a trainer is totally different from her program, and also like you knew that in advance, so I'm not sure why you didn't just go somewhere better suited. And I don't think it's necessarily reasonable to expect her to be available on weekends outside of emergencies unless you scheduled it in advance. I know for me, if I'm not at a show Sunday is my day off (apart from the barn work) and I don't really want to spend it with the boarders. If there is a veterinary/ medical emergency, that's different, but almost everything else can wait.

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                        • #13
                          I would talk to the state vet. From the sounds of it this isn’t a true quarantine. If that’s the case you can just go pick up your horse. I understand your current BO not wanting the horse until everything is cleared up but you can try an arrange for the horse to be separated. If that wouldn’t work you can look for other options. In the area I use to live in we had at least 5 barns that had quarantine areas for new horses. Any horse coming in for the first time would stay there for a couple of weeks before going to the main barn.

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                          • #14
                            Didn't you discuss expectations with the trainer before you signed up with her? If you knew and accepted upfront that you wouldn't be involved in training or lessons for the first 2 months, it's sort of hard to be hurt about it now. Have you been satisfied with the progress you've seen so far?

                            I can see (and respect) her not wanting you on the farm right now, with the potential for infectious disease to be spread. She's being cautious (maybe a little too late). Until you know exactly what you're dealing with, I'd respect that.

                            And as for the texts, I know younger people expect to be able to be in contact 24-7, but her days off are just that. I wouldn't expect communications to/from her on those days unless it was an emergency. Horse people neer really get "time off", but they can at least have their days off to themselves.

                            The vaccine thing, that's problematic for me. It's not one of those questions I would've asked, I probably would've assumed everything was vaccinated, particularly if she shows. The first thing is to find out facts: Is there an actual quarantine on (in the legal sense). When are the test results due? If this isn't a legal quarantine, will your other barn accept your horse back?

                            You're upset, and you're making the mistake of thinking that the whole world has gone to hell. Take a deep breath. If your barn owner and fellow boarder seem happy with the the training their horses have received, yours will probably be likewise well-trained. If you knew the trainer's methods and agreed to them, as long as she gives you access to visit your horse, you should respect that.

                            Good luck with the health scare. It's probably an excess of caution. Better to take precautions you don't need than through open your doors when there are potentially infectious horses there.

                            StG

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                            • #15
                              Yes WRT quarantine through the state, the benefit there is that they come every couple of days and check on the animals and the record keeping, and the protocol being used to keep everyone from infecting one another.
                              A QT through some local Vet is unlikely to be doing that, largely because of cost.it would incur.

                              If I was the barn on the receiving end of a horse who had been through QT for something like the diseases you've listed, I would want the assurance that proper protocol was done, and that would only be from the state Vet.
                              When the QT is over, the state Vet in NY sends a letter clearing the facility. I would want to see that as well.

                              I might add that the suspected disease very well may be 'reportable' in your state and I would look into that and whether the state vet is aware that this 'quarantine' has been put in place for suspicion of these diseases potentially being present.
                              Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                              http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                #16
                                Interesting to see the different perspectives...You bet I am reacting emotionally! Although, not to the trainer. Have remained polite, with her and expressed concern over her horse, who is likely to be euthed soon. It's very sad as he is only 6. I have not decided what to do in terms of just playing out the remainder of the month or going to get him. Depends on how this plays out and what the diagnosis is. Have not made any decision yet for going forward.

                                So yeah, lots of issues involved including the training, the communication, the disease potential. Some are right in that I probably should not have sent horse there knowing that maybe her methods and mine do not click. However, you don't know until you are in a situation sometimes that it isn't right. Is this not why divorce happens, or people leave trainers, vets, farriers, etc.? Whatever the case, he's there now and this is what I am dealing with so could have-would have-should have will not help.

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                                • #17
                                  OP I am sorry you are dealing with this. I think most posters are reacting the way they are because you are clearly unhappy with this arrangement quarantine or not. If I was in your shoes I would pull my horse as soon as possible. What is making me scratch my head is the fact that you are contemplating leaving your horse there. Why on earth would you do that when it’s obvious you are unhappy about the situation as a whole?

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
                                    I would call the vet involved, and if they are QT'd for EHV or the other things that would mean the State Vet afaik.
                                    I would want to hear it from that Vet... and actually if you google you can likely find an alert about it if in fact the state Vet has issued a QT for that barn/area, for one of those diseases.

                                    There's nothing here, but that doesn't mean there's not a QT in place.
                                    http://www.equinediseasecc.org/alerts/outbreaks
                                    This is a good site. Thanks for the link.

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                                      Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                                      OP I am sorry you are dealing with this. I think most posters are reacting the way they are because you are clearly unhappy with this arrangement quarantine or not. If I was in your shoes I would pull my horse as soon as possible. What is making me scratch my head is the fact that you are contemplating leaving your horse there. Why on earth would you do that when it’s obvious you are unhappy about the situation as a whole?
                                      yeah, idk. just because of this being my barn owner's MIL and trying to save face,,,but my gut says GET HIM HOME. deal with the rest later. Thanks for the reminder.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by TWH Girl View Post

                                        yeah, idk. just because of this being my barn owner's MIL and trying to save face,,,but my gut says GET HIM HOME. deal with the rest later. Thanks for the reminder.
                                        I would get him home. If your BO has that big of a problem with it then that is on them. Not every trainer works for every horse owner. Can your BO help you with their MIL?

                                        I moved my horse last summer after trying another barn recommended to me by a friend. I had moved to a new area. Turns out, the barn was big on everyone being reliant on the trainer and in the program. For example, you weren’t allowed to show unless you were in the lesson program. If you went solo to a show, and I didn’t put the barn name on my entries, that was still a big problem in their eyes. I am way too self sufficient for that. I gave notice they pitched a fit but I’m happier for it.

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