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  • #21
    I think someone who is so rude to invite themselves (or in this case on behalf of someone you don't even know) to come to ride or visit the horses, and is allowed on the property would probably not hesitate to drop over when you aren't there too.

    People act so entitled these days. A friend of a friend moved with her hubby to a beach community, and the house came with a pool (fortunately well fenced). A couple of days later two little girls wearing bikinis show up at her front door and ask to use the pool. The owners were stunned since they had never met any of the neighbors, let alone offered to let anyone use their pool. The wife took the little girls down the street to talk to the parents, and she was stunned when the mom said that she knew the girls were doing this. The mom got angry when the pool owner asked them what they were thinking and how dangerous it could have been for the girls since no one knew anything about the owner or her husband. The pool owners are decent, law abiding people, but they could have been criminals, or registered sex offenders or anything but nice.

    I am always amazed at the sheer gall of people inviting themselves to come over and use your horses, farms, or anything else without invitiation. I doubt there is an insurance agent in the world that would be happy about pony rides even on a leadline. It's sad we all have to be so proactive about potential litigation, but we do.
    You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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    • #22
      Fortunately, we don't have friends who have kids, but adults still think they can "come out and ride one of your horses". OK, I'll put you on the huge PerchX who is not backed yet.
      I think these wannabees (no "meaness intended") think all horses are pony ride/dude ranch/ Roy Rogers horses who are patient saints.
      I was bucked off my last horse because she was stung by a wasp. She was a calm gentle mare but things happen, to say the least.

      It drives me crazy. Fortunately, we are sorta hermits so don't get many requests.

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      • #23
        I can sympathize as I've been in similar situation with my family.

        My polite response has been that my horses are not appropriate for young riders but here is the number for xyz stable that has horses much more suitable. I'm just scared that my big silly horse might scare the kids and traumatize them for life.

        Sometimes it works - given my relationship with my sister, she just thinks I"m selfish anyway, so even saying "yes" wouldn't have pleased her.
        Originally posted by SmartAlex

        Give it up. Many of us CoTHers are trapped at a computer all day with no way out, and we hunt in packs. So far it as all been in good fun. You should be thankful for that.

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        • #24
          JanM...my last house had a pool. I came home more than once to find people in my pool!
          Adults as well as tweens.
          You jump in the saddle,
          Hold onto the bridle!
          Jump in the line!
          ...Belefonte

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          • #25
            Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
            JanM...my last house had a pool. I came home more than once to find people in my pool!
            Adults as well as tweens.
            And of course, if any of them had gotten hurt it would probably have ended up your problem.

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            • #26
              Oh of course.
              You jump in the saddle,
              Hold onto the bridle!
              Jump in the line!
              ...Belefonte

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              • #27
                Apparently liability for 'attractive nuisance' depends on the state. Years ago in Virginia my parents got a family membership to a private pool (there were no public pools until the 70's sometime-in my view to extend defacto segregation) in the neighborhood. One night some drunk 20 year old climbed the tall chain link fence, over the barbed wire top, and drowned in the pool and the pool association was held liable for his death. If I ever bought a house with a pool or hot tub I would get it removed or filled in. And if I found someone on my property in my pool they would be talking to the cops about trespassing, and anything else I could get them charged with. I've heard of cases of teenagers breaking into houses when the owners are out of town and totally trashing the place and having drunken orgies leaving damages in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, but in the newspaper the parents of the minor children are whining about getting sued for the damages--I guess the entitled attitude of the kids came from mommy and daddy.

                I don't allow the neighbors kids on my property, since if I wanted to babysit I would have had children, plus that incessant shrieking out of some kids makes me want to slap them (I wouldn't actually do it, but I do think about it), and the legal liability is a distinct threat. I do get a kick out of people who allow their kids or pets to trespass and damage other people's property, because they want their yards to stay nice. My insurance agent has advised me that I should employ only licensed and bonded professional for services-I guess the few kids that want to mow lawns are a legal liability too.
                Last edited by JanM; Jul. 25, 2010, 11:13 AM.
                You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                • #28
                  While I totally understand the other side, I just want to offer a bit of a different pov. I love it when people want to come out, meet and ride the horses. I am so passionate about what I do, I love to share it with anyone who has the time and inclination to listen. I figure I am so blessed to have the horses in my life, the least I can do is share. I'm probably the one people avoid because when they mention they love horses and would like to ride, I'm always "Let's set a time!".

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Come Shine View Post
                    While I totally understand the other side, I just want to offer a bit of a different pov. I love it when people want to come out, meet and ride the horses. I am so passionate about what I do, I love to share it with anyone who has the time and inclination to listen. I figure I am so blessed to have the horses in my life, the least I can do is share. I'm probably the one people avoid because when they mention they love horses and would like to ride, I'm always "Let's set a time!".
                    if it wasn't for people putting up with my interest as a kid, I'd never have gotten involved with horses.

                    I understand not wanting people out, and I don't really have aa suitable horse for people, but someday I'd love to be in the position to have an extra quiet, safe horse around so I could potentially introduce people to it. I always feel bad when I have to say no to people- my gramps had every right to say no to me and kick me out of the barn (before he was my gramps, hahaa) but because he didn't I have a lifelong passion. I would love to be responsible for that for someone else someday
                    "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                    My CANTER blog.

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                    • #30
                      In poor taste? Maybe. But this is a great chance to point them in the right direction. These kids might grow up to love horses because someone involved with horses took the time to help.

                      Don't underestimate the impact we can have.

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                      • #31
                        This thread isn't so much about encouraging or discouraging people from being around horses; the main theme is the PRESUMPTION that since one has horses, one should automatically allow anyone who wants to pet/ride horsie to do so.

                        NOT all horses are appropriate for this. I own 4 that are NOT suitable horses for kids/greenies (three aren't even started under saddle - one of those is a formerly-abused pony that HATES people but b/c she is a pony thus she simply MUST be great with kids). Right....

                        I do have one horse that once I get my liability insurance increased, I'll be happy to have friends come out with their kids to meet/leadline on him (edited to add that they will wear helmets, safety vest & mommy/daddy WILL sign a waiver before kids think about heading to barn). Unfortunately, this IS a litigious world and until I can afford the higher limits of PROTECTION (think of it as a helmet for my property), not going to happen.

                        But more than that - it is the attitude by the OPs family that she should just willingly share her horse with these people she probably doesn't even know. Wonder if her sister would be willing to share her own husband with this woman, too????

                        And its a shame that regardless of the reasons, the family will make an ordeal of this for the OP if she chooses to not allow these children on her horse (without considering the circumstances). THAT is just wrong.
                        Originally posted by SmartAlex

                        Give it up. Many of us CoTHers are trapped at a computer all day with no way out, and we hunt in packs. So far it as all been in good fun. You should be thankful for that.

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                        • #32
                          Seriously? I don't understand why this is an issue. Of course it's tough to express the emotion necessary for my reply when hit with this question, but when asked I say...

                          "Oh. You have a death wish, do ya? No. No. Definitely NOT. You do NOT want to ride my horse/s. Hell.. some days I DONT' EVEN WANT TO".

                          Then, talk about how unpredictable horse is, how not-in-a-good-way athletic, and how he's smarter than most humans you know. How many trainers you've been through.. Describe exactly some of his 'moves'.. Then talk about any injuries YOU (as an experienced rider) have sustained.

                          And yes, follow up with liability limitations.

                          Then, I'd get on the horn with the person who volunteered my animals for such a nit-wit offer and give 'em a piece of my mind.

                          Rude receives rude in my book. Ignorance might get it softened a bit, but seriously... what were they thinking??

                          **rolls eyes**

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Come Shine View Post
                            While I totally understand the other side, I just want to offer a bit of a different pov. I love it when people want to come out, meet and ride the horses. I am so passionate about what I do, I love to share it with anyone who has the time and inclination to listen. I figure I am so blessed to have the horses in my life, the least I can do is share. I'm probably the one people avoid because when they mention they love horses and would like to ride, I'm always "Let's set a time!".
                            Yes, we are on this side of the fence too.

                            Any time folks mention that they'd like to ride, I'll be happy to take them out on trail or if they have kids, we set up an afternoon for them to bring their children over for a mini lesson on how to stop and turn and we let them ride our horses.

                            If we didn't have suitable horses, we'd lead line them and/or at least let them pet them.

                            Happy Trails~
                            Joyce

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                            • #34
                              when we bought our first horse, my non horsey husband assured me he could ride - as any non horsey person would think after having gone on one or two nose to tail one hour trail rides every summer as a child.

                              Luckily our horse is pretty quiet (we bought him from someone who used him as a mounted shooting horse who said he was just too slow), but he managed to fall off twice in the first two months (at a walk).

                              I think he finally gained respect for the potential danger when he saw another horse pull back (when tied), break some equipment and flip over.

                              I think 99% of the people out there think every horse is the brain dead "nose to trail" sort of horse, they don't know any better.

                              Our horse is safe enough to lead someone around at a walk in the indoor, but that's where I draw the line and luckily nobody has really pushed to do more.

                              I've found as I get older I'm less and less concerned about offending someone for standing my ground (on not letting them ride the horse) - I have also been known to launch into endless stories about all the horse friends I've known that have ended up in the hospital after riding accidents. I think they get bored of the stories and just stop asking.

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                              • #35
                                don't be hating ; )

                                I have no problem telling people they (or their kids) are not able to ride my horses.

                                OP: if Annie truly "grew up with horses" you wonder why she would assume yours are kidsafe?

                                When I had Vernon - who was the nearest I ever had to a safe loaner - I was always willing to put someone who claimed riding experience on the longe. No reins, just the chance to sit in a saddle on a moving horse.
                                If they showed no clue they were usually only too happy to get off after bouncing around at trot.
                                To be fair, I only asked if they wanted to try trotting if they seemed ok (like they would not immediately slide off) at walk.

                                My favorite borrower was a Swiss coworker. He not only agreed to the longe but rode so well I took him off after about 2 minutes.
                                He proceeded to W/T/C and jump around a small course very nicely.
                                *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                                Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                                Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                                Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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                                • #36
                                  Macimage:

                                  Just so you know - I'll be willing to have you ride one of the following on leadline (after you sign ironclad waiver with witnesses) BUT I retain rights to video/book deals & right to post "rides" to COTH:

                                  The formerly-abused pony that hates people and has never been started (she's 11 now). She has a tendency to go up and over, too.

                                  The two year old who has no clue what a saddle is yet and is a tad spooky. Also likes going backwards as an evasion.

                                  The 4 year old who has just been backed two times (okay - so this one is pretty good but you never know - and she tends to be very forward).

                                  Door's always open - let me know when to expect you!
                                  Originally posted by SmartAlex

                                  Give it up. Many of us CoTHers are trapped at a computer all day with no way out, and we hunt in packs. So far it as all been in good fun. You should be thankful for that.

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                                  • #37
                                    yes well, insurance is so handy, and should be mentioned, especially to those best friend and relative types who swear they'll never sue. I had one of those.

                                    I kindly let his kids come out and ride on a lead line when they were small, they were never hurt and thank heavens. Because one of the last times I ever saw him, he drank too much of the beer he brought himself to my place, tripped over a kerb and opened a two inch cut on his elbow when he hit the dirt. Then demanded I pay him $500 out of my insurance for "voluntary medical expenses". For 2 inch cut that he refused to go to emerg to have stitched that night and complained that it healed with a scar later- on his elbow! its not his freakin face! My insurance company said better to pay than risk litigation- and my rates went up the next year because I'd had a flood claim the year previous- 2 claims in 2 years = rate hike of 20%.

                                    I've had lots of peple I've taken riding, always with the understanding, if you want to ride, you will have to do some of the work. Well, my barn is always cleaned early in the morning, so the work comes when we bring in the hay once a year.They all agree up front to help. And well, those folks always seem to be too busy to help when haying time comes 'round.

                                    So when our new neighbour appeared at our door this week with a 3 and 4 year olds in tow in their flip flops and shorts and asked if they could have a pony ride, I was shall we say, less than receptive. Fortunately, I had just taken a stirfy off a hot stove when the doorbell rang, and said brightly "Not a good time right now, we were just about to have supper," and bid them a cheery goodbye!

                                    Now I have to think of what to say next without turning the kids and the neighbour off our friendship completely. Which will include the insurance issue and the recommendation to go down the street a block to the trail riding place where they have actual leadline ponies.
                                    "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                                    • #38
                                      Another point about the "Oh, I'd never sue" thing, is that sometimes they don't have a choice.

                                      Medical forms and insurance forms usually have a section that asks if the injury was due to an accident and the address of where it occurred. Then the injured person's insurance company goes after the property owner or their insurance company.

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                                      • #39
                                        Now you will laugh when I say the next thing as I am 24 years old so.....

                                        The problem is when I was younger no one really sued. Or was as sue happy as the US has become. Every little problem everyone already starts the wheels turning in their heads as how can I sue to fix this problem? I think if people weren't like this it would probably be a whole other ball game with having people over to ride or at least see the horses. There wouldn't be a huge worry over everyones head "if something happens will I get sued?"

                                        It sucks that life has become like that. That everyone is worried about someone suing over anything. That doctors have to have millions of dollars in malpractice insurance, run every test under the sun, and put a person on medication right away for even the littlest thing such as a cold. For the off chance a persons cold is actually more than it is and the fear of getting sued. Everyone wonders why health insurance is so expensive....there you go.

                                        Just my 2 cents! :-)
                                        "The horse you get off f is not the same horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better" - unknown author

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                                        • #40
                                          Just this past Friday a co-worker asked me if he could bring his son out to my barn to meet some horses and try a ride. I told him I'd be happy to introduce them to my own horse and perhaps get a "pony ride" around the ring. Despite her best fire-breathing-dragon impressions my mare really has a soft spot for little kids and is absolutely perfect with a little person on her back. So I don't mind fueling a kid's interest. I did tell the co-worker that neither my horse nor I teach riding lessons so if the son would like to ride I know this great barn with a wonderful lesson program with good teachers and ponies. I'm ok with doing an "intro" to the horse world (with proper liability releases signed) but I'm not ok with someone getting free lessons on my expensive hobby.
                                          "Beware the hobby that eats."
                                          Benjamin Franklin

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