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  • Short answer today: USA

    Longer answer: I have only visited other countries, and only a handful. I've spent a couple of weeks in the UK (mostly London), visited Amsterdam, Canada and Costa Rica.

    I am a United States Citizen, both by birth and choice. For all the flaws of our country I still think it offers us a lot, most other countries have many flaws as well and I have a decent life here.

    If I did not have so much 4 legged baggage, I would love to live in the UK or Australia for a few years...weather-wise, I think I'd prefer Australia.

    I keep my horses at home, and have a reasonable commute. I have access to many top instructors within an hour's haul and I have a truck & trailer to use to get to lessons.

    I'm not yet ready to give up my current lifestyle since I enjoy it. That does not mean I could not enjoy other lifestyles (city living could be fun for a few years), but I can't have everything.

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    • I want to live in New Zealand, Japan, Australia, and I want to live in Hong Kong for at least a year.
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      • Originally posted by goeslikestink View Post
        you forgot the fags lol
        Did you mean cigarettes? Or homosexual men ("fag" is a pejorative slang term for a homosexual man in the U.S.)?


        Originally posted by Lieslot View Post
        TR, what you say is true. However in just our day to day lives with horses what is important is the accessibility of those 224sq km vs 9.83mil sq km on horseback without having to load your horse into a trailer & drive for x miles.
        In the whole of the UK, you can mostly consider yourself in a public area and allowed to be out riding (mixing public bridlways & roadwork) in all sorts of terrain, totally permissable, no questions asked.
        In the US (and please do correct me if I'm wrong, I may well be) you often first have to become a member of some state park, or have xyz liability waiver, permission to trespass etc paperwork signed with x number of neighbors, before you can come home from work, tack up your horse and go for a lovely ride in the countryside that same evening.
        ...
        When you drive home on a regular day from work, how many riders on horseback did you come across, probably very few. Whilst outside city centers in England you very likely pass by a few.
        THIS is why I'd love to live in the UK or Ireland. Of course there are exceptions in the U.S. as others have mentioned, like Fair Hill, and another would be Southern Pines, NC which has a strong horse community not just with farms and stables, but with the important feature that many, many farms are immediately adjacent and there's a network of trails among the farms and no one objects to riders (I don't know if it's in the statutes or just informal public agreement on the right-of-way -- maybe some Southern Pines folks could comment), and also adjacent is (or at least was and I assume it's still there) the Walthour Moss Foundation grounds/park, 4,000 more acres that one can ride in. Southern Pines is the closest to the UK I've personally experienced in terms of "public" lands or public/private lands appropriate and safe for riding. But Southern Pines is in the south and the heat here is killing me so that is a big drawback there.

        But the thing is, to my mind, those places are the exceptions and like Lieslot said, many, many areas are like that in the U.K.

        I live in VA and am surrounded by farms, so you'd think it would all be gravy, but our farm is on a 1/2 mile semi-private drive joining a 1/2 mile public gravel road, and the thing is, there's no shoulder to speak of, so traveling the roads would be hazardous as there's generally no place to get out of the way of traffic. And after the dirt road is the 2-lane road with speed limit of 55 mph which the crazies treat as 65 mph or more and there's nothing but deep, wide ditches alongside. Sadly, most parts of the U.S. aren't designed to allow safe foot traffic, much less safe horse traffic!

        I don't really enjoy trailering anywhere, even if the distance is short. Short or long, there's still the whole loading up of tack and other gear, wrapping the horse, etc. etc. My dream is to be able to jump on and ride anywhere, not just on my own place.

        So, U.K for me! And I love the weather there, too!
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        • Originally posted by Alameda View Post
          The "UK" is more than England


          (I lived in Somerset, near Minehead, GB. Fantastic riding!!!!!)

          Hey! We just went to Dunster last week!!

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          • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
            Come on now - The USA didn't enter WWII in Europe until it was half (1942) over. Just in time to "liberate" Europe and hand out chocolate !
            And leave some of us hanging out to dry under a worse dictatorship than the Germans for the next fifty years...thanks, FDR! (I have right of return to one country in Europe, but my grandparents left Poland for a reason. Under their rules I could get a passport relatively easily, but why?)

            Jokes about the Channel Islands aside (and UKers + readers of the ads in FT will get what I'm half-joking about there) the UK is mostly too crowded for me. I can't even stand Southern New England (I'm sincere when I say you'd need to be offering me at least half a million a year to move back to Boston), and I've been to New York City once and can't be bothered to go back--FAR too many people and buildings. I'd like to VISIT the UK, but if for some reason I were moving out of the US, despite the weather and the fact that, as TV Tropes would put it, Everything Is Trying To Kill You (OMG SNAKES), Australia would be more likely. Besides, I have relatives there (from the Ukrainian side of the family--they got out after the Germans retreated but before the Russians reinvaded, but someone was sick so they couldn't get visas to the US. Australia was apparently less picky.)
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            • So which history books should I read that will inform me that the US did not contribute significantly to the defeat of Germany during WWII? Or that we entered so late we didn't do any actual fighting? Sorry, I suppose being a history major is sometimes not enough.

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              • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                How much cred is involved in distributing candy and stockings ?
                I can certainly enjoy the good hearted bickering among us, but this statement tears at my heart. Candy and stockings? What about all the lives lost and blood shed? Take a walk at Normandy in the cemetary and think of all the lives lost fighting in a country most of these young boys had never even seen...

                How ignorant of you to trivialize this! And I am not just talking about US lives!!!
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                • Being an American history major may not be enough.

                  Check the figures ; http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/casualty.html
                  Which include the Pacific conflict.
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                  • Um, back on topic....Those of you who think there is not enough space in the UK (yes, I realise I am being slightly hypocritical here, but what I meant in my earlier post was though there IS certainly space in the UK, depending on where you are, it is more expensive space) check these pictures out. OH, and this place is less than 10 minutes drive away from Edinburgh, Scotland.

                    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...7_111130_n.jpg - only the beginning of this yards fields.

                    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._7425266_n.jpg - view from the arena

                    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6810365_n.jpg
                    some more fields. BTW, this pictures were taken at the beginning of July.

                    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._8026412_n.jpg
                    The city centre, maybe 20 minutes drive from the yard.

                    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...1_449738_n.jpg
                    PS this is IN the city, close to the centre.

                    Ok, I'm done. I'll use any excuse to show off Edinburgh...

                    Having said that, all this does come at a cost. I am not expecting to be able to afford horses while living in Edinburgh for a looooong time.
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                    • Man - that place is COLD in the winter !
                      But the best place to be on Hogmanay, when you don't feel the cold for about 3 days.
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                      • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                        Being an American history major may not be enough.

                        Check the figures ; http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/casualty.html
                        Which include the Pacific conflict.
                        What is that expected to show? Just because other countries had more fatalities doesn't mean that the US was not a pivotal addition to the war effort (which they were, well before they entered the war, through industrial/manufacturing efforts as well as eventually with additional manpower).

                        As I recall, the war wasn't going so hot before the US' entry. Though the Soviets played a bigger role in the European theater, as they basically handled the entire Eastern front, the Western front needed the Americans and their war machinery. The US by no means handled it alone, but Europe might look very different today if they hadn't stepped in.

                        TO bring it back to the equine, saving the Lippizzans was largely an American effort. Even if you disagree on the rest, that's something, right?

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                        • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                          Man - that place is COLD in the winter !
                          But the best place to be on Hogmanay, when you don't feel the cold for about 3 days.
                          Ha ha true enough....It's not as cold as some places in the US though! Not nearly as cold as NW PA. I actually haven't been in Edinburgh for Hogmanay yet, we usually escape to the Highlands for the week.
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                          • Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post
                            What is that expected to show? Just because other countries had more fatalities doesn't mean that the US was not a pivotal addition to the war effort (which they were, well before they entered the war, through industrial/manufacturing efforts as well as eventually with additional manpower).

                            As I recall, the war wasn't going so hot before the US' entry. Though the Soviets played a bigger role in the European theater, as they basically handled the entire Eastern front, the Western front needed the Americans and their war machinery. The US by no means handled it alone, but Europe might look very different today if they hadn't stepped in.

                            TO bring it back to the equine, saving the Lippizzans was largely an American effort. Even if you disagree on the rest, that's something, right?
                            I was posting in reply to the Normandy cemetAry comment, but the point is this. It all depends on where you learned your history. A European's view of what happened will be very different to the American version, and generally, not shouted about so loudly.
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                            • Originally posted by Arizona DQ View Post
                              I can certainly enjoy the good hearted bickering among us, but this statement tears at my heart. Candy and stockings? What about all the lives lost and blood shed? Take a walk at Normandy in the cemetary and think of all the lives lost fighting in a country most of these young boys had never even seen...

                              How ignorant of you to trivialize this! And I am not just talking about US lives!!!
                              Thank you Arizona DQ,
                              My dad fought in WWII and told some quite depressing stories, and some of the remarks here are such a slap in the face to all the soldiers who fought and gave the ultimate sacrifice to combat the evils.

                              And to hear jokes about handing out cigarettes, and chocolate as our only contribution to the war is sickening.

                              If no one has seen "Saving Private Ryan", I suggest you watch it.
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                              • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                I was posting in reply to the Normandy cemetAry comment, but the point is this. It all depends on where you learned your history. A European's view of what happened will be very different to the American version, and generally, not shouted about so loudly.
                                Sorry, I assumed your comment was directed at me, since I am the history major.

                                An educated person, wherever they are located, should inform themselves using perspectives on all sides. My guess is that whatever is presented in high school history books from any country will be drastically oversimplified and therefore wrong on many fronts.

                                And on this point -- As part of my education (I studied intellectual history), I read a number of such texts. Pretty sad that many German texts, for example, did not mention the Holocaust. Some perspectives are different or oversimplified or biased -- and others are just plain wrong. Hopefully such "oversights" have been fixed by now.

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                                • The first allied victory didn't occur until the beginning of 1943 (North Africa). I wouldn't call Salerno, Anzio, Cassino, Normandy, Battle of the Bulge, Drive to the Rhine, exactly "throwing out candy and cigarettes".

                                  We should ALL shout out "We too stood up against tyranny and fought for freedom." And that means every American, Brit, Canadian, Free French, Russian, Australian, and many others.

                                  That is what should unite us all.
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                                  • Americans have never experienced war in their own country, and I think it gives them a very much more simplistic view of the whole soirdid affair. Europeans have, and you can still find the consequences of their experience now, several generations later. They tend not to have national flags tattooed on their bums, or extoll the virtues of having "fought tyranny" or claim to be the providers of "freedom". They have learnt however to handle their differences with humour and grace, and don't really appreciate Americans claiming to have saved Europe from the jaws of hell.
                                    PS: El Alamein was 4 Nov 1942.
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                                    • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                      Americans have never experienced war in their own country, and I think it gives them a very much more simplistic view of the whole soirdid affair. Europeans have, and you can still find the consequences of their experience now, several generations later. They tend not to have national flags tattooed on their bums, or extoll the virtues of having "fought tyranny" or claim to be the providers of "freedom". They have learnt however to handle their differences with humour and grace, and don't really appreciate Americans claiming to have saved Europe from the jaws of hell.
                                      PS: El Alamein was 4 Nov 1942.
                                      I would tend to agree with this. My father also fought in the 2nd World War and will rarely talk about it. He was a glider pilot - only one way in, in that job. I know he bears those scars to this day. I remember him talking about the sheer terror of facing an enemy. Of seeing scared German farm workers hacking a British paratrooper, stuck in a tree, to death with their pitchforks. Once, as a child, I found a photograph album of his. It contained photos that he had taken from someone else. I vividly remember a photo of a soldier hanging. The photos have long gone. I looked for it several years ago, and it is still there but the photos have gone. War is horrific. There is no glory, there are no winners, everyone is a loser. The sentiment about war in the US is desperately different from Europe. To keep it horse related - I don't think there was a horse in the photo but maybe the German farm workers had one?

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                                      • Oh, I agree that war is horrific in every way. I think the recent series like "The Pacific" and "WWII in HD" have been good for people, as they add a dose of reality to the feel-good John Wayne versions of war Hollywood creates.

                                        I do agree that Europeans as a whole have struggled with their identities in the wake of the first half of the 20th century, and God knows if they will ever recover as a people. It's sad -- but even so, Europe should not be considered a bastion of tolerance, grace and acceptance.

                                        Look at modern-day reactions against immigrating Muslims -- by most accounts relations are far worse in Europe and the UK than in America. It's a real issue. Anti-Semitism is still a major problem, and isn't going away any time soon. Let those in glass houses and all that.

                                        But to insinuate that the US did not play a significant role in the defeat of Nazism is just...well, I don't understand it. I don't see a basis for it, and I doubt anyone would seriously argue that there's much nuance to be made over whether Hitler needed to be stopped.

                                        To keep it horse-related, my grandfather marched with Patton in saving the Lippizzans. He only talked about it in his final years. Mostly he talked about D-Day, when he and his best friend were resting under a tree and his friend's head was blown off mid-conversation. My grandpa was covered in his best friend's brains. Don't tell me Americans don't understand the war.

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                                        • Let's please bring the discussion back to horses.

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