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  • #21
    Originally posted by justalteringaround View Post
    I admit I don't really know much about the whole "Parelli" method, but that is one of my questions..do they not believe in the chain over the nose or are they totally against it? That is how we handle my boy if he is a little too hot, hyper, etc...I figure when we first get him to the new place we will need to use that for a while until he settles in.
    I hope this is not a problem for you. It could go either way with your individual BO, but Parelli is totally against a chain over the nose.

    I have used some Parelli methods of training and enjoyed success with them, but have no problems using a chain if needed (safety is my #1 priority).

    It's nice to say a really well-trained horse will never need a chain, but during the training process someone still needs to get the horse from paddock to stall and back with no nonsense!
    Jigga:
    Why must you chastise my brilliant idea with facts and logic? **picks up toys (and wine) and goes home**

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    • #22
      i admit i'm pretty biased against parelli people due to personal experience, but unless it were an absolute last resort and we were going to be in the street otherwise, i would not board with a parelli owner/handler, especially if s/he were doing the care and i were just boarding. i would be too paranoid that s/he would decide to do parelli stuff with my horses while i wasn't there, even if it were just their leading methods or whatever, and get frustrated with my horses when they didn't respond, and try to "teach" them to do all the wiggle rope dancing around crap that they do. my horses would eat them for breakfast. not to mention i wouldn't want my horses confused. they are perfectly well behaved and don't need lessons from a parelli person...but i just feel like they'd get them, whether they needed them or not.
      My mare wonders about all this fuss about birth control when she's only seen a handful of testicles in her entire life. Living with an intact male of my species, I feel differently! WAYSIDE

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      • #23
        Originally posted by DieBlaueReiterin View Post
        i admit i'm pretty biased against parelli people due to personal experience, but unless it were an absolute last resort and we were going to be in the street otherwise, i would not board with a parelli owner/handler, especially if s/he were doing the care and i were just boarding. i would be too paranoid that s/he would decide to do parelli stuff with my horses while i wasn't there, even if it were just their leading methods or whatever, and get frustrated with my horses when they didn't respond, and try to "teach" them to do all the wiggle rope dancing around crap that they do. my horses would eat them for breakfast. not to mention i wouldn't want my horses confused. they are perfectly well behaved and don't need lessons from a parelli person...but i just feel like they'd get them, whether they needed them or not.
        Horses tell on you, how you treat them and handle them, along with their natural disposition, some admittedly are grumps.

        Anyway, I have had PP people practically try to take the leadrope off my hands to show me how THEY MAKE a horse "mind".
        I had to be almost rude to insist I didn't want them to, to use that on their horses.

        I have watched some years ago several PP demonstrations and watched and even participated in two day clinics given by their instructors and yes, there is plenty interesting and fun there, but also some basics that are not there.

        If you have to get your horse resisting you first to teach them, like throwing their heads around and scooting around, pinned ears, switching tails in annoyement, not the odd horse the odd time, but as part of how you handle them, you have lost me and what I learned, that is to handle horses as smoothly as you can.

        Just for that concern, I would not want anyone that "does PP" handling my horses, unless I see that they are past that, or like myself, learned to handle horses without getting them first confused, then irritated, as some of that PP type handling clearly does.

        As others have said, check how much PP that new stable does and if it is a side line, not the wild stuff, it should be ok.
        If they run around pushing horses here and there roughly in the name of training, beg off for the sake of your horse, especially if your horse is smarter than a pet rock.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by justalteringaround View Post
          So, I am moving my horse to a new barn, and as I am talking to the BM (who I really get along with) she mentions that she trains/follows Parelli...and later in our discussions, mentions how she is about to be certified level 4 (??) Otherwise she seems as if we will get along great, and I love the facilities...just wondering, from the great COTH wisdom..should I be scared, reserved, or just leave her to her own and me to mine (which I am inclined to do)..My only concern would be if she tried to do any carrot stick tricks with my greenie (she will be putting him out at night and bringing him in mornings)
          Anyone with experience such as this? thanks.
          Oh...I...no...don't...just no. No. Don't even go there. My BO is one and you doooooon't want it. I had someone come out to look at a sale horse and while I was saddling him we were talking about what I normally used on him. I was wearing spurs and she asked if he needed them and just as I was about to tell her no, I never used them on him I just hadn't taken them off yet BO went off on some tangent about how PP would never use torture devices like the spurs or slow twist bit I used on another horse.

          Thanks "Bob", 'preciate it. She ended up buying a horse from someone else, but I did get a new trail riding friend out of the experience-as while I was aghasted at the BO she fled to the tack room-and was huddled in the corner trying not to laugh hysterically lol.
          Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
          Sam: A job? Does it pay?
          Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
          Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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          • #25
            If she starts dancing under the stars nekkid and painted purple , shaking a petrified rhino p*n*s at the stars, well, time to move.
            if she's a GOOD BO, this would be just fine by me. As long as she doesn't preach at you or try to train your horse herself, what do you care what she personally believes and does?

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            • #26
              I detest any and all thing parelli. I will keep it simple, and leave it at that.

              I would move right away, that day.

              I would not care one bit if the barn is the best in the whole earth.

              MOVE!

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              • #27
                Now I've been in the close vicinity of supposed high level "Parelli training" a massive total of 3 times. (Not including perhaps a dozen or so owners who have done something with it but clearly not high level - well I hope not anyway!)

                First time I initially couldn't get my words out for laughing! Then think I might have used the word "Bonkers"

                Second time - better prepared for the actual head of Parelli! Just a couple of minutes after it started, I said "Right, while this is on I'll go for a sandwich and tea"

                Third time - one of their fundamentalist followers trained to some silly fancy high level I never quite understood and I said "For F*s Sake, stop annoying the horse and let me do it"

                Each and every one I've come across had in my opinion the weirdest ideas about how to position themselves with a horse. What is all this standing square and facing straight on to it?? They really do like to set themselves up to be challenged!! What's all this approach it's head by sticking your hand up towards it's eyes and then slapping it down on it's nose!!! What's all this flicking ropes and sticks and bugging the heck out of it and then squaring up to it when it tries to back away from you!!!

                I've retrained 5 horses that had a history of being "Parelli'd". Each and every one of them were smart horses but screwed up and particular difficulties were with just what would be considered basic stuff and including not wanting to be caught or have a head collar or bridle put on. (rearing and striking out front end to evade such)

                Having seen nothing other than dreadful handling and positioning - real life personal experience AND on videos of the Parelli's - including him and that awful blonde hanger on! then I'm not surprised a smart horse would object to such stuff if it was typical.

                The owners I've met that have dabbled in Parelli training have all been erm.... let's say "ripe for picking!" They've not really managed to achieve much of anything. Note: I don't mean fancy competitive success. I merely mean having a nice well mannered, calm riding horse.

                If it were me and mine then I'd be out faster than a rat up a drainpipe.

                For sure I'd say if you're actually requiring your horse to be trained, I'd say get out.

                If however your horse is just there and trained already and you love everything there then watch her and see what she's like and more importantly what the horses there are like with her.

                If there's a nice well mannered horse indicating it's no longer got a clue and doesn't know what's required or wanted, then listen and get the heck out.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by rmh_rider View Post
                  I detest any and all thing parelli. I will keep it simple, and leave it at that.

                  I would move right away, that day.

                  I would not care one bit if the barn is the best in the whole earth.

                  MOVE!
                  you and me both lol

                  they have a few at the top yard well funny ----- trying to get a neddy on those
                  circus barrel things as in all on the things that are flat and round and horse can stand on insort of front end 1st then whole body but looks dead uncomfy

                  nah--------- i want my horses to be horses that go from a to b
                  with good tack good grub and good manners lol

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                  • #29
                    Honestly, as long as she isn't trying to force her techniques on you or your horse, I wouldn't mind. I have a friend who is constantly trying to force her NH stuff on me; even though I've told her that it Wont work with my horses.

                    So as long as she keeps it professional and lets you work your way, I don't see a problem boarding there.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by crazyhorses View Post
                      Honestly, as long as she isn't trying to force her techniques on you or your horse, I wouldn't mind. I have a friend who is constantly trying to force her NH stuff on me; even though I've told her that it Wont work with my horses.

                      So as long as she keeps it professional and lets you work your way, I don't see a problem boarding there.
                      To say " it will not work on my horse", something others believe in as strongly as they do in PP stuff, is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

                      They know of course it will work, for what they call "working".
                      The horse will scoot over and run backwards or around you ok.

                      What they fail to see is that the horse could have responded with better, smoother handling without the scooting and running around, high headed, ears eventually pinned and tails wildly switching in annoyance, as they tend to do with the PP system of handling.
                      Don't take my word, see most any youtube videos to confirm that.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by OldMorgans View Post
                        very same thing that some guy here in So. Calif. was doing back in the late 80's & early 90's. He had a Hispanic name, if I recall correctly. Does anyone remember him? He had at least one book & video.
                        Tony Gonzales, perhaps?
                        "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                        ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by OldMorgans View Post
                          The Parelli Organization does not teach any shoeing or trimming. Pat & Linda use Jim Helms (I think that is right but I could be wrong) who calls his stuff "Healthy Stride". In my opinion, he is doing the very same thing that some guy here in So. Calif. was doing back in the late 80's & early 90's. He had a Hispanic name, if I recall correctly. Does anyone remember him? He had at least one book & video. He was the hot thing for quite a while. Healthy Stride uses a laser to more precisely measure hoof angles & such, but looks to be doing the same stuff in shimming up feet to compensate for body imbalances. Helms, as did his forerunner, claims that until he came along, farriers never looked at the whole horse. Interesting that, my farrier of 22 years has always looked at the whole horse; he is not anybody famous, just an excellent farrier.
                          As to Parelli use & promotion of Healthy Stride, let's just say that there is much controversy within Parelli land over this.
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                          • #33
                            I am surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has...if you get along great with the BO, love the facilities, and are happy with how she will be handling your horse (watch her with other boarder's horses), then what is the problem? Rather than focusing on a particular method the BO partakes in, evaluate how things are overall, just as you would any other boarding facility. 'Crazies' exist within any discipline and training method. Actually, razalter I felt hit it head on, as did a few others
                            ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by justalteringaround View Post
                              Thanks guys, that's what I thought. I will just make sure that if I see any kool-aid around I will run. And seriously, I'm sure if she tries any rope shaking at my boy, he will probably look at her like, wtf are you doing crazy lady...are you gonna give me a treat now?
                              I wouldn't be concerned. Just do your own thing with your horse. However, if she does try to convert you or your horse, I'd nip it in the bud immediately.
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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                To say " it will not work on my horse", something others believe in as strongly as they do in PP stuff, is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
                                HAAAA -
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                                  #36
                                  I really do appreciate the different outlooks and comments on this issue. I have only heard the "crazy" stories about Parelli, and have never been personally involved with anyone totally following it. I wanted to get some different points of view as to whether a BM can be professional and let boarders do as they do, or if because they are "Parelli", if they insist on pushing their training on others.

                                  Natural..I think the reason this thread has lasted so long is because people do have different perspectives and different advice to give..which I really do appreciate. It has given me confidence to go forward, yet also confirmed my original thinking that even though she may follow Parelli, it doesn't necessarily mean she may push it onto me or my horse (and if she tries I will very politely say, NO THANK YOU)
                                  It is partial board, so she will not be involved in the training of my horse, only feeding and bringing him in and out from turnout, and if she chooses not to use a chain over his nose during those times, then she can deal with his behavior...and if that doesn't work out, I will make sure that I am responsible for bringing him in and out.

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                                  • #37
                                    I use PNH extensively in my work with my/client horses and can assure you I have never been anything but professional nor have I ever pushed 'my methods' on others. Ie. the racetrack is not exactly the place to retrain a horse, so while there were instances and situations where 'Parelli' (ie. body language) was appropriate, there were other times I had to use more traditional methods (ie. a chain over the nose or such on a particularly unruly horse who was blowing through my body language and essentially needed to be taken back to the basics). Though I train client horses where I board, I certainly do not instruct others how to handle their horses (even if I drastically disagree with what they are doing - such as riding off of draw reins, doing the whole crank and yank on the face, etc etc) or push my method on others unless I am specifically asked for tips or lessons (and even then, I offer problem-specific help, not 'Parelli' advice per se).

                                    Of course the BM can be professional and allow boarders to do as they do, without being pushy - that is entirely personal thing, not a 'Parelli-specific' thing. This isn't another species we're discussing here, just people (and I mean that with the utmost respect, lol), and people are people! You have to judge a person as an individual, not because they do 'Parelli' or some other training method or discipline.
                                    ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
                                    ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by naturalequus View Post
                                      I use PNH extensively in my work with my/client horses and can assure you I have never been anything but professional nor have I ever pushed 'my methods' on others. Ie. the racetrack is not exactly the place to retrain a horse, so while there were instances and situations where 'Parelli' (ie. body language) was appropriate, there were other times I had to use more traditional methods (ie. a chain over the nose or such on a particularly unruly horse who was blowing through my body language and essentially needed to be taken back to the basics). Though I train client horses where I board, I certainly do not instruct others how to handle their horses (even if I drastically disagree with what they are doing - such as riding off of draw reins, doing the whole crank and yank on the face, etc etc) or push my method on others unless I am specifically asked for tips or lessons (and even then, I offer problem-specific help, not 'Parelli' advice per se).

                                      Of course the BM can be professional and allow boarders to do as they do, without being pushy - that is entirely personal thing, not a 'Parelli-specific' thing. This isn't another species we're discussing here, just people (and I mean that with the utmost respect, lol), and people are people! You have to judge a person as an individual, not because they do 'Parelli' or some other training method or discipline.
                                      I don't know about all that, for what I have seen, PP is a religion for way too many.
                                      Yes, that is a human failing, that some have to make all and any all encompassing, have to go whole hog and PP be the all and nothing of horsemanship.

                                      I think that is what the warnings about how into PP that one manager may be.

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                                      • #39
                                        You don't know about all that, Bluey - what, that I don't push 'my methods' on others or that I am not professional? Or that others can't be? Lmao. We're human - everyone is different. Honestly, although I hear what you are saying and I am sure you are correct in many cases, I have yet to meet someone who uses PNH and pushes it on others or who is otherwise unprofessional (even when I boarded once at a barn, for a few years, that over time slowly became mostly PNH - and the 'convert' was not because anyone pushed it on anyone or because the BM, who did do PNH, was unprofessional). So I can assure you they do exist Like I said, you have to judge everything case-by-case. I just don't think it's fair to simply classify someone because they do PNH, or if they used some other training method or were involved in some other discipline other than your own. Judge the BM by their own merits. If you love the BM and love the facilities, there should not be a problem. If there is, too bad, but it won't be because the BM is a 'Parellite', it will be because they did not handle your horse according to how you wanted, or because the care was not up to snuff, etc etc. Just saying.
                                        ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
                                        ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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