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  • Spinoff of "Boarders Gone Bad"

    So I, too, have a boarder (mother and daughter with a pony) who have given notice, and are due to leave on Friday. However: they owe me a substantial amount of money (over $1500, a large part of which was paid out of my pocket for horse shows, farrier, dentist; the balance is for riding/training/lessons, etc.).

    Mother has left messages about "discussing" her invoice; I've returned calls and tried to set up appointments to meet face-to-face to discuss, with no response.

    Pony is due to leave on Friday. I have emailed mother insisting that her invoice be paid before pony is removed from the property and have gotten no responses other than a note written on an envelope that she wants to talk face-to-face.

    What would YOU do?
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    So sorry you are dealing with this. I guess it depends on your boarding contract. If there is nothing in the contract pertaining to this situation, then look to the laws in your state. Also at $1500, you can take them to small claims court (especially if you have the receipts for the costs incurred.) I am not sure about the legality of holding their horse on your property though. Sorry about the situation again...not fun
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    • #3
      Unfortunately, I suspect the 'talk' will be to try to prove that they don't need to pay you, or need to dramatically reduce the price. Also, take only cash and nothing less. Consult your local legal authorities about stableman's rights during this time of potential conflict. Or look at the state regs online, and especially consult your contract (you better have one or you are so screwed).
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      • #4
        I think there are laws under which you could keep the horse until they pay, at least I remember reading about that. But there was a very specific course of action to follow to make it legal, and I don't know uif those exist everywhere. You may have to consult an attorney.
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        • #5
          What is this with trying to settle issues like this verbally, without witnesses etc, and then it turns into he said she said or I never got the email?
          Time to consult the language of your contract, touch bases with your attorney and send a restricted delivery certified letter, return receipt requested, outlining what you are allowed to do (as per your contract/attorney) if the balance is not paid in full on the date of Pony's removal. Yes it is a big PITA but one of the parts of doing business.

          If you do choose to meet with her face to face then you need to go back through your records where you paid her bill for services and dredge up the proofs that you paid, cancelled checks etc. Then you have to go through your invoices and be able to match up all her payments with your invoices showing that she didn't pay, and please tell me you didn't accept cash without giving a receipt.
          You're going to need all this if you should have to take her to small claims anyway, best to get it organized now.
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            #6
            I do have all of the receipts to back up what was invoiced, as well as records of lessons and training rides. My boarding contract specifically states that a horse may not be removed from my property until any amounts owed are paid in full, so I'll be sure to provide her with a copy.

            JanM: I'm certain you're right, and am anticipating that. I can easily justify all of the charges, but these really are non-horse-horse-people who thought they wanted to play in the sandbox without realizing what's really involved.

            Question is: what if they try to remove the pony when I or nobody else is there?
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            • #7
              Padlock the stall?

              Seriously, talk to the lawyer. You may be able to put a lien on the horse.
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              • #8
                I think that if they remove the horse while no one is there that you have to sue in small claims court for their debts. If this happens then the court clerk will tell you how to proceed, and what forms to file. Then if you get a judgment against them you have to pursue that also through the proper legal channels. I'm not sure if you have a way to have judgments against them entered on their credit history, but it does show up in most background checks.

                Resomething has given you great advice. Let's hope this resolves quickly and with cash in hand.
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                • #9
                  call a lawyer

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JanM View Post

                    Resomething has given you great advice. Let's hope this resolves quickly and with cash in hand.
                    Agreed.

                    While, yes, you could probably get an agisters/stablemans lien, they can take time to push through. Certainly more time than you have left. It might even be wise to call the PO and find out what they have to say about what you can do legally in the mean time, if you filed a lien today and have proof of the file, to keep the horse from leaving the property with a huge debt. It'll also leave a paper trail for you regarding your concern of getting stiffed.

                    As ReSomething said, make sure you have every payment and every debt and the final amount owed printed up in an itemized easy to read fashion.

                    That being said, the PO isn't going to know the ins and outs of this sort of deal. No offense to hard working PO's, but it's usually beyond their realm of knowledge, and there is only so much they can do. You really do need to consult a lawyer if you can afford to. If you can't, you may have to chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned. Which stinks, but I'd hate to see you get in trouble for locking up a horse that owes you money.
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                    • #11
                      where are they moving to and who is trailering the pony? Call them tell them pony can't leave until bill is paid.

                      Also document everytime you tried to call - and put a note on the stall with a specific time that you will be available to speak with her.

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                      • #12
                        Good luck and let us know how it works out. I've always wondered what a BO does in a situation like this.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by IslandGirl View Post
                          Question is: what if they try to remove the pony when I or nobody else is there?
                          For $1500 I'd plan on spending the day at the stable.

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                          • #14
                            Yes, plan on staying at the stable all day AND padlock the stall. You may even have to call the sheriff out or have them on standby to help. Sounds drastic, I know, but you can't be too safe anymore. Better to have him there and not need him, than not have him and wish you did.
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                            • #15
                              I had a "friend" slip her horses off of my farm while I was away at a weekend show. She owed me a month's board on 2 horses and $348 for hay that she used and was supposed to replace. She had her daughter text my daughters looking for things that they wanted to take with them - things that were mine! I am filing against her in small claims court next week. People suck. I just wish I would have put a lock on her trailer hitch when I thought of it instead of trusting her to do right by me because she was a friend. Good luck! Stay home and get your money.
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                              • #16
                                Twilath, generally law enforcement will not get involved in a civil matter like this one.

                                Bummer, IslandGirl, hope they show up with cash for you.

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                                • #17
                                  Think carefully about not releasing the pony. You could get stuck with a pony. I would sue in small claims court. You could also take a check from her, even post dated. If she doesn't make it good, you can go after her for writing a bad check. The courts take a dim view of bad check writing. In Maryland (at least 5 years ago), if it's not paid in 45 days, you can sue for double the amount and there can be jail time assessed.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center
                                    A stableman's lien is one boarding bars already have, just like auto shops if you try to remove your car without paying. You can have them arrested if they remove the horse without paying their bill. Check out the law in your state.
                                    Absolutely and DO contact police if they show up. They may tell you it's a civil matter but at the very least they will show up to make sure everyone behaves. This also serves the purposes of getting a public record going that there is a dispute should it go to the courts.

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                                    • #19
                                      The Stable keepers act that I follow only covers me for expenses pertaining to the care and board of the horse...not training, lessons or show fees. It is only for board/care that I can put a lien on their horse, tack or equipment.

                                      I would read carefully the law in your state before assuming you can hold their pony for the amounts you paid on their behalf or for the training/lessons...or you could be charged criminally yourself!

                                      Billing them the amount and then passing the bill on to a bill collector after a suitable time, may be another way to recover a sizeable portion of your bill with less stress than going to court, but I would definately discuss the options with legal council (arbitrator or lawyer).
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                                      • #20
                                        If they're that big a lowlives...I'd probably be sending the pony some where else until the bill is paid so they can't be disappearing with the pony.

                                        Make a copy of the boarding contract and highlight the important parts, also make copies of the bills outstanding....and don't take a check, cash only.
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