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  • #41
    Originally posted by Janet View Post
    Conversely, if there is something you DON'T want the judge to see (for instance a poor canter transition) you carefully psoition yourself BEHIND another horse .
    That's right. My old hunter (god rest his soul) had the most exquisite, rhythmic, balanced, mouth-watering canter you've ever seen. His trot was like Charlie Chaplin's Little Tramp walk. I would be sure to be one of the first in the ring to hack and canter until they called the class to order. Then I would BURY myself at the trot and flaunt him at the canter.

    It helped that he was a plain bay, so he was easy to hide at the trot.

    I would say that the overtly obnoxious ring behavior a few have described (actively cutting someone off, flicking a crop) is highly unusual. I've only been truly, deliberately cut off once or twice in 35 years of showing. I HAVE been cut off plenty by people who are just oblivious. You learn to see 'em coming.
    Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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    • #42
      There is a trainer here that is ALWAYS late for classes. Either she or her students are. They held up the ring for FORTY FIVE minutes one time! What the heck!? That drives me crazy. Everything else i can handle lol

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      • #43
        Originally posted by crazyhorses View Post
        There is a trainer here that is ALWAYS late for classes. Either she or her students are. They held up the ring for FORTY FIVE minutes one time! What the heck!? That drives me crazy. Everything else i can handle lol
        This boggles my mind. I've always shown breed shows, and when they close the gate, that's it. Too bad so sad if you missed your class. Even at local shows a tack change only gets them to hold the gate for 5 minutes or so.

        I realize you're talking about hunters o/f, but to wait more than 5 minutes is ridiculous. That rider should be skipped and placed at the end of the order, if they're not there then, too bad. And multiple rings is no excuse.

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        • #44
          I know, it's isane. The gate person was VERY upset about it. He made an announcement about FIVE times. Finally trainer realizes it. So she sprints to the barn, grabs the student (for some reason student couldn't go to the ring all by herself????) and then insists that we wait for all of her Other students to come!! It's INSANE.

          I was at an Arab show, and once the locked the gait, I saw several people get turned away. I think that's a good thing. I think max of 5mins is good. I don't really care if you're working multi rings either. Plan your time better. My trainer does a very good job of working three rings with different students. Dunno why no one else can.

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          • #45
            People cutting you off.

            Poor sportsmanship.

            Observers hanging on the rail or even sometimes dangling over the rail. Usually the show announcer gets them to stop but sometimes it is overlooked.

            Being late to a class and making others wait when they are all ready.

            Loose dogs.

            Loose children.

            Loose lips.

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            • #46
              I really can't stand kids on small ponies in tall boots and shadbellys. Actually, any junior rider in a shadbelly kind of irks me. Although it bothers me a lot less when it's a talented kid riding in the pro divisions (hunter derbies, etc).

              In the same vein, though, I also cringe when I see tweens with boobs wearing jods and garters. I think the boobs=boots rule is pretty spot on...

              I was at Culpeper for 2 weeks this month, and I also saw a lot of little, tiny kids on BIG horses in the mini-medal classes. Some of them were coming off of medium ponies (wearing, of course, size appropriate paddock boots and garters) then getting on 16.3hh massive horses to do the equitation. I'm all for getting an early start in such rings, but believe suitability should be considered when choosing an appropriate mount. And before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, I'm not talking about kids that can't afford a suitable mini-medal horse... the ones I saw had their own ponies of several sizes that were handed off to grooms as they were handed the reins to the monster horses.

              ETA: In the same way it bothers me when there's an empty ring for 15 minutes because a trainer is still schooling kids over a million jumps, PUSHY ANNOUNCERS/gate people are just as bad. I stay in my camper at horse shows, and there's nothing worse than waking up at 6:30am to a gate person making calls for 8am starts every 5 minutes. Recently, one of them was making statements like "If you're not down here, you're not showing... I only have the first 5 horses in the warm-up ring..."... FOR A FULL HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE THE START OF THE DAY.
              Here today, gone tomorrow...

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              • #47
                Thanks, everyone, for their flat class input. I really had no idea. I guess when I showed I was very, very clueless. I still don't know if I would intentionally try to block the judge's view of a specific horse or not (seems the judge would know what i was doing and either give me credit for being 'strategic' or get ticked at the method. I don't know that I'd risk the latter. Gosh, I guess I just feel like blocking and staying next to another horse for any length of time is a little dirty... Just my humble opinion, anyone who feels differently probably hopes they show against people like me!!) but I'm glad for the sharing of information/experiences/expectations, if I DO re-enter the show ring!!

                I thought of another pet peeve- certain competitors/friends/aquaintances that *always* seem to forget something (if not many things) and invariably turn to you for said items. Hairnets, spare crops, boot wipes, peacock bands... I'm happy to help, but I'm not a vending machine!

                Oh also, I once had a mom, total stranger, come up to me before my very first show at a new barn (schooling show, quite small). I was in Beginner walk/trot and fully fell into the requirements from my experience and with my mount, but was a good 6 years older than her DD. She blasted me with "HOW OLD ARE YOU?! I can't believe YOU'RE allowed to be in the same class as my DD! This is outrageous, who allowed this?!" Of course I saw that same woman nearly weekly at the barn after that... Fun. I learned not to feel special, she was like that with everyone!

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                • #48
                  Pet Peeve 1) Holding the in-gate open so trainer can school little princess for onnnnnnne more minute

                  Pet Peeve 2) Obvious rail-side coaching/encouragement/parenting... if you're gonna do it, keep it quiet

                  Pet Peeve 3) Obnoxious ring manners (not to be confused with good ringsmanship/blocking/hiding)
                  "Beware the hobby that eats."
                  Benjamin Franklin

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                  • #49
                    Pet Peeves

                    Trainers - talking their rider through the course. Obnoxious amount of whooping. Holding up the ring. Hogging schooling ring jumps.

                    Riders - not jogging their own horses for pinning. Sitting on the horses back for long periods between classes. Poor sportsmanship in general.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by bits619 View Post
                      I thought of another pet peeve- certain competitors/friends/aquaintances that *always* seem to forget something (if not many things) and invariably turn to you for said items. Hairnets, spare crops, boot wipes, peacock bands... I'm happy to help, but I'm not a vending machine!
                      "Sure, I happen to have extras with me, that will be $grossly inflated price to buy/rent it from me for the duration of the show."

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                      • #51
                        haha I'm Always the one who remembers Everything. Except for a hairnet and a hair tie. Other than that... hehe

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                        • #52
                          Bringing your heinous yapping, snarling dogs to a competition based on well-mannered animals. The rest of us-- who like a broke, kind useful horse-- are exactly the type of people who don't think the JRT fight in the middle of the barn aisle is cute. By they way, two of these things are loose because two people decided the leash rule didn't apply to them.

                          I bring this up as a sort of newsflash to those of you who believe you don't have a heinous dog. I know you know heinous dogs are out there. They always belong to other people. But do the math....
                          The armchair saddler
                          Politically Pro-Cat

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by mvp View Post
                            Bringing your heinous yapping, snarling dogs to a competition based on well-mannered animals. The rest of us-- who like a broke, kind useful horse-- are exactly the type of people who don't think the JRT fight in the middle of the barn aisle is cute. By they way, two of these things are loose because two people decided the leash rule didn't apply to them.
                            I have to ask - if it was a proper fight (rather than a play fight) someone broke it up somehow promptly, right?

                            (Not that I think dogs should be play fighting in that environment either, but JRTs can be pretty nasty little fighters, so the idea of them really going at it freaks me out.)

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by kdow View Post
                              I have to ask - if it was a proper fight (rather than a play fight) someone broke it up somehow promptly, right?

                              (Not that I think dogs should be play fighting in that environment either, but JRTs can be pretty nasty little fighters, so the idea of them really going at it freaks me out.)
                              Well, that's a good question. No, it was a standard JRT "Hey, how are ya? By the way, who are ya? Yeah, so, whatever. How about a loud, mutual a$$-kicking right here, right now just for fun?"

                              This was the annoying part-- it was quite normal so owners thought everyone else should just roll with it. Had it escalated into a real fight and someone's dog gotten hurt, I'm sure owners would have been pissed. But then why did they allow their JFTs to walk around stirring sh!t when they'd never tolerate that from their horses? It's just the inconsistency in an owner that will come down hard on one kind of animal in order to produce good behavior because it influences their day-- they personally win or lose based on their horse's schooling. If they kinda like a little bit of rebel or bad boy in their dog, and that preference inconveniences the rest of the world, well, then, screw 'em.

                              And there are some really well-behaved JRTs in this world. I'm just surprised that a higher proportion of the dogs that belong to horse-showing folk aren't exemplary citizens.
                              The armchair saddler
                              Politically Pro-Cat

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by mvp View Post
                                Well, that's a good question. No, it was a standard JRT "Hey, how are ya? By the way, who are ya? Yeah, so, whatever. How about a loud, mutual a$$-kicking right here, right now just for fun?"
                                Well, that's a relief. I guess. Maybe. I'm still going with: (And here I am worrying about teaching Pirate to not be too energetic in just saying hello to people. Sheesh. Since he doesn't leap into play fighting with other dogs at the drop of a hat, apparently I'm good to go!)

                                (Okay, I will fess up that while it is not a horse show specific pet peeve, people who take badly behaved dogs out and about drive me nuts, because invariably they just make it worse for people who do have good dogs, because people get fed up and just say 'no dogs!' even though the place or situation might be a totally reasonable place to have well behaved, controlled dogs.) (And why is it that people with badly behaved dogs always think the bad behavior is cute? Your dog completely ignoring you and not being under your control is not cute!)

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                                • #56
                                  As someone who has only been riding for 4 years who is about to do her first dressage tests (walk-trot Intro A and B)in a schooling show, I really appreciate the comments here and am reading them with great interest!!!!!

                                  I have been to a few non-rated shows to watch and to help my instructor with other students, and I also have a few observations:

                                  1) the loud trainers supervising their students in the warmup ring. Even if the trainer is an excellent trainer, and is very encouraging toward his/her student, just that the trainer is very loud, I should think would be a problem for other riders. How can a rider concentrate on her riding with all that noise? And then, there's usually more than one trainer/student combo yelling back and forth, and the decibels get very high very quickly!

                                  2)parents of young riders who seem to think a horse show is just an all-day baby-sitting session. Where I ride, there are several young children who come for lessons, and when they are ready, have the option of participating in local schooling shows. These youngsters (9-10 years old)are expected to stay at the show after their ride in order to help out, but they still need supervision which isn't something the instructor can do if she's helping a rider with her ride. Anyway, said parents quietly sneak away from the show after their kid rides and leave the kid behind, and without supervision, the kid runs wild and causes trouble.

                                  Yuck!!!

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