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  • #21
    Originally posted by bits619 View Post
    Do you mean you're blocking the rider on purpose as you pass the judge, or something else? Honestly, I don't mean to sound glib. I haven't shown in years, and when I did it was all low-level backyard stuff, but do riders use the mass of their own horse to visually impede the judge's view of another competitor?
    I would assume she is serious. As long as you do it without cutting off, or running into, another horse, it is just good showmanship.

    Conversely, if there is something you DON'T want the judge to see (for instance a poor canter transition) you carefully psoition yourself BEHIND another horse .
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    • #22
      Originally posted by Janet View Post
      I would assume she is serious. As long as you do it without cutting off, or running into, another horse, it is just good showmanship.
      Thank you.

      Yes, I was completely serious. As long as I'm not interfering with your horse (in his space, cutting him off, etc) then yes, this is simply good showmanship, and the use of the ring to my best advantage.

      What is this, an "Everyone Should Get a Blue Ribbon" thread? Show your horse to his best advantage, and worry about your OWN ride.

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      • #23
        Oh heck yeah she's serious- if she's not, I am

        You should know who the competition is in a rail class. You should show with that in mind and show your horse to the best of your ability- that means managing where you are in the pen. If I see someone on a soured up ugly horse I don't want to be anywhere near it- I want to be among good moving quality horses and where it's appropriate, to the inside/in front of that good moving horse I spent a lot of time learning how to manage my laps and my showing to use the corners, when to circle, etc- I'm there to show my horse, I'm not there to to help you -or hinder you- showing yours. I will not cut someone off or in any way disrupt your ride. No way. But I'll show my horse to the judge, you bet.

        Pet Peeves- blocking the gate. Hanging out at the in-gate for hours, just to watch, with your mare who kicks standing behind you. Get the hell away from the in-gate, ding dong.

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        • #24
          I don't know, I rode (and won) two fairly competitive hack classes at an A show this weekend. My goal in an under saddle class is to get my horse seen and NOT covered up by another horse. If your horse is surrounded by other horses, he is most likely not going to look his best.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Bearhunter View Post
            I don't know, I rode (and won) two fairly competitive hack classes at an A show this weekend. My goal in an under saddle class is to get my horse seen and NOT covered up by another horse. If your horse is surrounded by other horses, he is most likely not going to look his best.
            But that only holds true if your horse is a good mover at all gaits.

            My horse's trot is m'eh. I don't want him near a good mover or to be "hey-judge-look-at-me" during the trot. I want to show off is manners but that's about it.

            His canter is much better, although still not great. His strength here is his rhythm and consistency. I do want to show that off.

            I would never say that I should only pay attention to my own ride. That gets me in trouble. I HAVE to pay attention to everyone else, while showing off my horse to the best of my ability. That means that I know where the bronc is (and how to avoid them), that I'm using my peripheral vision to make sure no one is going to cut me off or slam me into the rail, etc. Yes, my responsibility is my horse only, but that means keeping him out of potential trouble spots. The only trouble spot I can't figure how to plan for is the tailgaiter. I don't have eyes in the back of my head.

            I LOVE flat classes and the strategy behind them. Some people think a flat class is just about going in a circle and following the judges directions while making no erros. It's SOOO much more than that and a good showing in a flat class is really about showmanship.
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            • #26
              Strategic riding IS important in an u/s class (it's also a lot more important in a breed show where it might be the entire concept, as opposed to 1/5 of the total classes and not the tiebreaker points). But yes, sizing up the competition and setting up your horse to show his best gait is why it's there and when that fantastic trotting horse goes sweeping past the judge, set off from everyone else, YES, the point is to make damn sure the judge saw THAT horse. If you are on a horse with a better canter than a trot, you might hide a bit during the trot but position yourself to outshine that good trotting horse during the cante rphase of the class.

              Or, if you are me on my old hunter, you are constantly hiding behind any and all horses, in the mostly vain hope that the judge thinks your number belongs to that pretty bay good moving horse instead of that pretty bay that moves like a sewing machine (but is a jumping fool). Now that I have a young horse with some serious trot and a better canter I'm going to have to relearn my u/s tricks (however as an old QH/app breed show person, I'm pretty sure I'll remember them )
              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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              • #27
                People who enter classes they are clearly over qualified for.

                Examples:

                A gal I know who has ridden for years on the A circuit took her new horse in walk trot classes at a local schooling show. For the most part it was fine because the horse was green, but at least for the "Beginner" w/t Eq class, she should have turned her number over to not be judged. She did win the Eq class, "beating" little kids. I thought that was selfish of her and yes, she did keep the ribbon because she likes to display all of her ribbons.

                Yesterday, a friend of mine did Rusty Stirrup w/t at a schooling show, and seeing as she switched disciplines to Western, and hasn't ridden English in 10 years, I think she qualified as a Rusty. However, the woman who won the classes then went on to win the adult w/t/c classes (and high point) on the same horse and she is a part time trainer! Why she thought she was a Rusty goes beyond my comprehension.

                It just bugs me when people sandbag. Is a blue ribbon really that important?
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                • #28
                  Obnoxious show mom (& you know who you are!):

                  - it's NOT ok to throw a temper tantrum when your child knocks a rail, and throw up your arms in disgust, swearing loudly!
                  - it's NOT ok to then loudly wish each and every rider after darling poopsykins has knocked that rail, to have subsequently worse rounds than your darling daughter...way to teach poopsykins great show manners and how to win and loose with grace!
                  - we all know your darling daughter has just won her class and we congratulated her...we do NOT need YOU to force it down our throats for the next 5 days/10 times per day...and you wonder why we all put you on ignore!
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by jenm View Post
                    People who enter classes they are clearly over qualified for.

                    Examples:

                    A gal I know who has ridden for years on the A circuit took her new horse in walk trot classes at a local schooling show. For the most part it was fine because the horse was green, but at least for the "Beginner" w/t Eq class, she should have turned her number over to not be judged. She did win the Eq class, "beating" little kids. I thought that was selfish of her and yes, she did keep the ribbon because she likes to display all of her ribbons.

                    Yesterday, a friend of mine did Rusty Stirrup w/t at a schooling show, and seeing as she switched disciplines to Western, and hasn't ridden English in 10 years, I think she qualified as a Rusty. However, the woman who won the classes then went on to win the adult w/t/c classes (and high point) on the same horse and she is a part time trainer! Why she thought she was a Rusty goes beyond my comprehension.

                    It just bugs me when people sandbag. Is a blue ribbon really that important?
                    That is the absolute worst. I've shown against little kids before, but my horse was a loon (spoiled by a previous riders) and I knew we would lose. I didn't even enter the eq as the show didn't want me to ride non-judged. I don't get the desire for that many blue ribbons. Just spend $20 and buy a bunch of them if it matters that much to display them.

                    As far as the blocking other horses in u/s classes goes, I think there is good showmanship and there is poor sportsmanship. I've been in u/s classes where I had to spend the entire class mostly trying to avoid one rider who had it out for us, rather than showing my horse. That, to me, is poor sportsmanship. Katarine's use of the phrase "when appropriate" is great. If you get a chance to pass a better horse while the judge is looking, go for it. If you're paying attention to the competition and positioning yourself accordingly to show off your horse's strengths and hide his weaknesses, great. If you're going out of your way to interfere with another rider, maybe you should either learn to show your horse better or find a discipline he's better suited for. Fortunately, though, the latter riders are fairly rare in my experience, and are usually obvious enough that judges aren't fooled.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by RugBug View Post
                      But that only holds true if your horse is a good mover at all gaits.

                      My horse's trot is m'eh. I don't want him near a good mover or to be "hey-judge-look-at-me" during the trot. I want to show off is manners but that's about it.

                      His canter is much better, although still not great. His strength here is his rhythm and consistency. I do want to show that off.

                      I would never say that I should only pay attention to my own ride. That gets me in trouble. I HAVE to pay attention to everyone else, while showing off my horse to the best of my ability. That means that I know where the bronc is (and how to avoid them), that I'm using my peripheral vision to make sure no one is going to cut me off or slam me into the rail, etc. Yes, my responsibility is my horse only, but that means keeping him out of potential trouble spots. The only trouble spot I can't figure how to plan for is the tailgaiter. I don't have eyes in the back of my head.

                      I LOVE flat classes and the strategy behind them. Some people think a flat class is just about going in a circle and following the judges directions while making no erros. It's SOOO much more than that and a good showing in a flat class is really about showmanship.
                      You are absolutely correct. It is about showmanship and dealing with the talent(s) your horse has (or doesn't) and how you show that off. Even with a good mover, you have to be aware of the orangutans and idiots who want to cut in front of you. You have to know how to work a ring, and make the most of your corners and straightaways. In the end, it is making what you have beneath you look it's best and that does take a degree of finesse.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by CosMonster View Post
                        As far as the blocking other horses in u/s classes goes, I think there is good showmanship and there is poor sportsmanship.
                        Absolutely. You should always be a good sportsman...and then means doing nothing to intentionally ruin another person's ride. Cutting someone off, crowding them, etc intentionally is pretty weasely.
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                        • #32
                          I find flat class really fun for this reason. Its so strategic and you have to know how to play the game. My horse isn't the worlds greatest mover, but he can get low ribbons at A shows against good company if I ride the hack right. My horse's trot is not his strong point so I usually try to hide during that part. I look for the biggest group of horses and just weasle my way into the center as we go around. My horse's canter is pretty good but his canter transition is faboulous. When I know the judge is about to have us step into the canter I try to position myself in a spot where the judge would have to try to not be looking at me. And during the canter I usually try to stick with the best moving horse, so I can block it from the judges view. I don't do anything nasty, I just rate my horse's speed so it looks like were doing a pairs class but with me always on the side the judge will see.

                          However, the other day I had a catch ride whom I had never seen go before, so I had no idea how well she moved and what her strengths and weaknesses were. It became very apparent that she was a good mover as soon as the class started the she was a good mover becasue other people were using strategy against me. Little did they know that I could also play that game, so I ended up blocking them from the judge haha. I ended up winning the class out of about 40.

                          I am very used to these shananagins in the flat phases of eq classes. Its no secret that I usually move up to the top after flatting in eq, if I am not already there, which I am usually not because I only use eq classes as the warm-up for my hunter classes and my horse can be a little spooky the first time in a ring haha. Lets just say the eq kids are a lot nastier. They flick their crop at my horse and intentionally cut me off. When they resort to this sort of thing it is almost to my advantage because my horse could care less about thier crops and I can tell when someone is about to cut me off and I avoid it. The judge will notice this sort of stuff too.

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                          • #33
                            On busy show days, please don't be giving flat lessons in one corner of the warm-up ring, thus causing us to not be able to use half the warm-up jumps. Bad sportsmanship from parents -- I hate this because it teaches kids bad habits (For example, a father who actually screamed "That's bull crap, judge!" when his daughter didn't win the class). That one person on the crazy jumper who thinks it's funny when it spins and rears and sidesteps and tries to bolt at the in-gate and laughs as you try to get out of the way -- either have someone hold the horse, don't bring it to this show, or stand it somewhere where it won't be a hazard to everyone else. Dogs. Running. Loose. The jerkers/kickers/spinners -- you ride up to that oxer with reins ten miles long, add no leg, flap your arms and jump up his neck and when he stops, you spin him in a circle, flail your crop at him and jerk on his mouth. Judges and stewards, we need to have talks with those people -- it belittles our sport and is cruel to the horse.

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                            • #34
                              I took a student to a local show last weekend. Yes open schooling can be dangerous at best with everyone going in different directions and not calling your lines. My student call the outside line so loud the neighbors could here it so there was no mistaken where she was going. Another trainer was in the middle of the ring hand walking a horse and decided it was a good time to walk the horse over the outside line. Really?

                              As far as u/s goes you must be aware of where you are in the ring and who is around you. I had this conversation with a student before entering a class. Her nerves got the best of her and two riders came up beside her and blocked her in. Her pony let out the biggest buck and took the other riders by suprise. Let me say this child never let that happen again. Always plan for the escape route.

                              At the same show I asked a trainer who the cute pony in the trailer was since I had not seen it before. The response was oh that is a $30k pony. I didn't ask how much it was but who is it. This is the same person that bragged about her student getting a clean sweep in front of the other competitors. she preceded to say I knew you had it before you went in. I would like her crystal ball

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                              • #35
                                I don't mind a reasonable block attempt in a flat class, but it does tick me off if people are obnoxious about it. And I do find it unreasonable if it is being done in, for example, a baby green class. Come on, people. Even if you are at an A show, the baby greens are unrated.

                                I've never owned a good enough mover to get myself blocked in u/s classes, but I did have pretty good eq back when I was showing equitation seriously and I often got block attempts in my flat eq class. I did have someone ride right up my horse's butt once in one of my eq classes...that ended very badly and was dangerous for all involved. My horse kicked at the horse on his rump and then bolted, bucking, farting, etc. until he stumbled and almost fell down. First and only time that he ever kicked at another horse. The class was huge and the whole situation was just so dangerous.

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                                • #36
                                  I do jumpers so I can't comment on the flat, but as far as just horse shows in general, SHOW UP ON TIME. I don't care that you took your sweet little time tacking up, or were eating lunch and had less time than you think. If you have an actual reason, horse/ tack change and you are trying your best to get to the ring fine, but otherwise, we have better things to do then wait for you. You're not as special as you think you are. I had a horse show last weekend in the pouring rain, rider was 20 minutes late for the class with no good reason then wasted another 5 writing the course on her arm(!?!?!? not ok!). Dude, we are wet and want to get this over with. Another thing that drove me crazy at my show yesterday, schooling ring manners. Call your jumps, move out of the way when I call mine, simple as that. It shocked me how many people didn't call their jumps, and this was a bigger show. I understand that the ring is crowded and left shoulder/ left shoulder isn't always possible, but if it is move out of the way. If you are just walking along the rail like a princess to the right while I'm cantering to the left and there is clearly room, please be so kind as to move out of my way. I also agree with those of you that mentioned the riders whose philosophy is "its always my horses fault when something goes wrong so I'm going to beat him with my crop and yank on his mouth". Actually I'm pretty sure it's your fault. I also agree with the annoying parents. If I was ever bragging about winning or something, my mother would yell at me, not encourage it.

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                                  • #37
                                    I can't stand the horse show moms who run around at shows barking at their kids what to do , any really have no clue what they are talking about. They walk up to the kids after the trainer walks away and tells them something different....
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                                      • #39
                                        Haha, I find it funny that the first people who chimed in about covering others in the ring and being strategic in flat classes were ASB peeps. I grew up showing ASBs, and since many classes are large and are all subjective and on the flat, you HAVE to make sure the judge sees you. Plus much of the saddle seat discipline is based on how well your horse shows and "peacocks" in the ring. Manners, movement, and quality are also very important depending on the class, so you want to show that off.

                                        For the most part, this means having the rail all to yourself whenever you want to show your horse off. Unless you're in a HUGE class, this is usually pretty easy to manage. You can put yourself in the perfect position at the walk by circling back, cutting across the ring, etc. Then when trot/canter are called for, you are in the position to show off. Sometimes this means riding closer to the center of the ring (and covering people up for a smidge - though that's usually not the intent) so the judge can see you. It's rarely about trying to "hide" another horse, more about making sure yours is seen. Being alone on the rail is the best way to do this though.

                                        I used to show a country pleasure horse that was a little untalented but was gorgeous and would go anywhere I put him. One failing of a lot of ASB country pleasure horses occurs when the judge asks for a canter from the halt. My horse would slip into it everytime like clockwork (while the others will still waiting for the rail to open up or for the horse in front of them to get started), and he had a lovely canter. So we were ALWAYS in front of at least one judge and by ourselves on the rail when I knew that was coming. I think it's one of the reasons we got 2nd at our world championships - we were closer to the inside of the ring, yet he still halted like a dream without the help of the rail. Then when it was time to canter, we slipped into it and had at least a half lap around the arena before everyone else had gotten into the gate (kind of pathetic the "waiting" that happens for canter in some saddle seat classes).

                                        That class was HUGE, so I always made sure I was positioned alone on the rail if I could manage it. If I couldn't, I would ride closer to the center of the ring while passing slower moving horses during the extended trot, or during his lovely canter, we would let the fast horses pass us until we had a great spot.

                                        I also used to show a very pacey walking little arab, so we'd "hide" whenever it was walk time = )

                                        Anyway, ring strategy is super important in all flat classes, but saddle seat people often learn it best because it is one of the most important ways to show that your horse is showy, haha.

                                        If a horse is covering you up, fix it! Slow down, speed up, then if you need to, make a circle or cut across the ring. Then stay the heck away from them or any other trouble makers. Many aren't actually trying to cover you up, they're just trying to make sure the judge sees them.

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                                          It doesn't have to do with flat classes, but another one of my pet peeves would have to be, when people block the main paths to get either to the ring, away from the ring, into the barn, etc. There's a hill at my barn that goes down to the ring and part of it is kind of steep and 'iffy' and there's this pretty set path that people walk down to get to the ring, and people are CONSTANTLY just standing there with their horses, so you have to weave your way around people, parents and horses just to get to the ring. It wouldn't be so bad if they were up next or soon, but some of these people just gather and socialize, even if they aren't up soon. I mean, come on. Please go to another part of the field if you're just chatting...

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