• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Staff Horse

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Staff Horse

    I have a question for all you whips out there...how long did it take your horse to get used to 1) the whip 2) the hounds. I have a lovely horse that I really do not want to sell (if I sell, I will most likely not hunt, which I do not want to do), but I cannot get him to not spook away from the whip (even just leisurly hanging/swinging) and he also has no regard for the hounds (ie. wouldnt mind stepping on one when he spooked away from the whip). I am also relatively new to whipping-in, so i don't have a 100% handle on what I'm doing and am feeling a tad overwhelmed. Any advice would be much appreciated!
    It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.

  • #2
    First off, what kind of whip do you use?

    I have found that the softer lashes can be more tolerable for sensitive horses. But it will be harder to crack when needed.

    Secondly, the best time to desensitize a horse to a whip is not with hounds. It's out on your usual, regular ride.

    I like to play a little game where I swing the whip very slowly in a circle that is parrellel with my horse and just let the tip of the popper hit the ground. As you walk on varying ground this can be a little difficult. And as the horse becomes more comfortable with the sound of the whip cutting the air, you can speed up the circles. The key to this is never to let the whip hit your horse.
    The more we look for that perfect spot, the harder it is to find.

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Originally posted by Outfox View Post
      First off, what kind of whip do you use?

      I have found that the softer lashes can be more tolerable for sensitive horses. But it will be harder to crack when needed.

      Secondly, the best time to desensitize a horse to a whip is not with hounds. It's out on your usual, regular ride.

      I like to play a little game where I swing the whip very slowly in a circle that is parrellel with my horse and just let the tip of the popper hit the ground. As you walk on varying ground this can be a little difficult. And as the horse becomes more comfortable with the sound of the whip cutting the air, you can speed up the circles. The key to this is never to let the whip hit your horse.
      Thats exactly what I do with him, and it took my previous horse about a week, but I have been at it for a while with this guy. I have a pretty soft lash that I condition with the rest of my tack on a regular basis. He doesnt like it when another person cracks it, but he's not nearly as bad, so maybe I'll try that approach.
      It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.

      Comment


      • #4
        Well, ya know, summer is here, the perfect time to play with your would be staff horse!

        For the whip- just start swinging it around while standing on the ground if you need to- perhaps while hand grazing. And pop it occasionally. And then as noted carry it every time you ride, swinging, popping, etc in a relaxed and leisurely manner.

        Consumer warning: Even a horse who doesn't mind the cracking of the whip can spook mightily if said whip gets caught under the tail on the follow through. Ask me how I know. A splendid cure for this is the same technique as used to accustom pack horses to the possibility of having a lead rope under their tail. Namely, about an 18" length of broomstick. With horse in roundpen or other safe arena, lift tail, put broomstick under tail, get the heck out of the way as horse clamps tail. Horse will think he is about to die until by happenstance he relaxes the tail, and the horse eating broomstick piece drops harmlessly to the ground. Repeat until horse says 'oh, ya can't fool me, I know that one,' and simply refuses to clamp down the tail.

        As for your description of 'no regard for hounds'-- from your description, I perceive that he doesn't have a fear or dislike of hounds- i.e. doesn't want to kick or paw them- just would step on one leaping sideways away from whip? Not really a concern in my book, 'any' horse spooking is not going to be looking for hounds. So long as he is 'nonviolent' and neutral toward hounds, you're okay. Over time you simply school him, subtly, to give hounds right of way.

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          Things wouldn't be so bad if I just had one more hand to hold both reins and use the whip at the same time. Then the little hounds wouldn't be in danger of flying feet. He is certainly not aggressive towards them, if anything a little oblivious, but never malicious.
          It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.

          Comment


          • #6
            I started cracking and swinging my whip while the horses were eating-they soon ignored the sound completely.
            Last edited by lesson junkie; May. 26, 2008, 11:04 PM. Reason: spelling!

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              Lesson junkie- thats a good idea, i will give that a try.
              It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.

              Comment


              • #8
                so here is my two cents:

                for the whip phobic horses you have to break it down into really, really small bites. As soon as he can digest a whip being dropped from its curled up position move to the gentle swing at a rock, etc. Just listen to your gut (you already know all this stuff) and only add more to his plate when he is confirmed at the current step. Colonial took to it pretty quickly, I gave up on Remi after 5 years and gave him to a dressage home, Chandler took a long time and Toddy and Piper somehow took to it right away. Lucky for you he is a great horse and you are a dedicated horseperson
                Susan
                http://community.webshots.com/user/ss3777
                www.longformatclub.com

                Comment


                • #9
                  Geez, right about now I'm thinking I'm the only person in the whole world that grabs a horse out of the pasture, tacks it up, grabs a hunt whip and goes over and opens the door to the kennels and takes them out roading.

                  I never even thought about whether the poor things would spook from the whip. My two year olds I just take out with the dog hounds the first time as there's usually a lot less excitement with them. I worry more about how they react to the hounds than the whip.

                  Actually the first time I blow the horn usually gets more response than when I use the whip but then I dont' usually have to use the whip much with the beagles.

                  I guess I just assume they will deal with it and so far they have. Course my youngster's are third generation hunt horses.
                  -Painted Wings

                  Set youself apart from the crowd, ride a paint horse, you're sure to be spotted

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lesson junkie View Post
                    I started cracking and swinging my whip while the horses were eating-they soon ignored the sound completely.
                    I started mine unmounted too. When I would hand graze him after a bath I would bring the whip along, drag it around in the grass, lay it over his rump, flop it around on the ground a little etc. Usually the grass was much more interesting and he learned to ignore it.

                    Downside: He is pain to lunge....ignores the whip :-)

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I usually carry it with me all the time in the barn, while I am tacking up etc, and it just becomes an extension of me to the horses, and part of what we do.
                      While riding, I do as others said, gradually start dropping it, then swinging it, then twirling, etc. They make great spiderweb catchers on the trail
                      carrying a fly whisk is also a great prelude to a whip

                      I think one of the most important things is don't use a longe whip on your horse if you expect him to be a field hunter. If you teach him that the whip lash or the whip popping means go when you are longeing, don't expect him to know that it means stand (or not run off) when you are hunting.

                      I need to have some whip review with my older mare, I'll be whipping in off her again some this season, and I'm still working with the 5 year old on it, although she is doing very well.
                      The older mare had been taught about the longe whip so we had to overcome that, but the young mare is a homebred and I made a point of never using a longe whip or carrying a bat on her for that express reason. The older mare still really doesn't like the whip (she was beaten before I got her) although she will accept it, but the young mare doesn't know any different.

                      The key is really to go at the horses pace, until he figures out that it's ok and you aren't going to beat him with it. Sometimes I drape the whip across their hind quarters, or between their ears or all over them while I'm working with them, but that takes a little time, depending on the horse.
                      "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jaegermonster View Post
                        I
                        I think one of the most important things is don't use a longe whip on your horse if you expect him to be a field hunter. If you teach him that the whip lash or the whip popping means go when you are longeing, don't expect him to know that it means stand (or not run off) when you are hunting.
                        I've never had any trouble with horses confusing the two. But I don't really crack the longe whip, much, they know that just a flick toward them means go faster (or don't slow down).

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          That's the thing, don't crack it. Most people don't get that, and then wonder why their horse wigs out on them when they want to use their hunt whip. But either way, a field hunter can't be whip shy.
                          "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X