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Update to Forum Rules: Criminal Allegations

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RIP Bill Steinkraus

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  • RIP Bill Steinkraus

    I'm so sad to see this, what a great rider and horseman. He used to commute on the railroad to work as a book editor and then ride and compete as well! I consider myself very lucky to have watched him compete at MSG and Piping Rock for many years.

  • #2
    Yeah, me too. He lived a good long time, but still. He is a legend.


    • #3
      What a great guy. He made it to 92 yoa. Great life.


      • #4
        I just saw this on another COTH page, so searched to see if anyone had started a thread for him. I'm glad you did, BAC.

        This makes me so sad. I know he was 92, a good old age, yet he was one of my first horseman heroes.

        RIP, Bill.
        Rack on!


        • #5
          He is a legend, and he has been my hero since the early 80's. Heaven got a superstar.


          • #6
            The big horse show upstairs keeps getting better and better. RIP, sir.


            • #7
              I know he did his best to prepare family and friends for this day, but it still blows a hole in the fabric of the universe. They just don't make that combination of strength and grace anymore. No one wore that red jacket better. I doubt anyone ever will. I will miss seeing him ringside at Ox Ridge, so elegant and graceful, studying every horse that entered the ring as though he was measuring its soul. Thank God for the gift of his amazing books and those iconic pictures, but I wish he could have stayed with us forever.


              • #8
                His books were wonderful. I'm not even a showjumper but I loved them. He will live on in his writings as well as the videos of his riding and the memories of everyone.
                Give and Hazard All is now available!


                • #9
                  The Horse Magazine (Australian) article on Steinkraus and his philosophy/theory of how to ride effectively, broken down into small quotes and cogent observations by the Master.

                  "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
                  Thread killer Extraordinaire


                  • #10
                    What a loss for us all! I've been an admirer of Mr. Steinkraus for more than 50 years--he showed us what good riding/horsemanship was, and to me all others are judged by this standard (and often found lacking). I still have Riding and Jumping--my first book about riding, given to me way back in the 1960s. I've got parts of it memorized.


                    • #11
                      Thanks for sharing that article. He was my childhood hero, too.


                      • #12
                        He was truly one of the greatest horsemen and riders. We wil miss him but his legacy lives on.


                        • #13
                          Such a loss.
                          Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                          Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"


                          • #14
                            But, but ... it just seems that there has always been Bill Steinkraus.


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by alicen View Post
                              But, but ... it just seems that there has always been Bill Steinkraus.
                              There has been, for our lifetime.


                              • #16
                                Obit in the Times.



                                • #17
                                  A hero to so many of us and, unlike some great talents, he really did wear that label well.


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                    Lovely obit.
                                    Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                                    Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by RugBug View Post

                                      Lovely obit.
                                      Yes. How many horsemen would have an obit that includes a mention of George Bernard Shaw? Not many, I'll wager. He might be the only one.


                                      • #20
                                        I just saw this and am now sad. I worked in his barn back around 1982 for one of his boarders. Knew his wife, Helen too. A true class act all the way, the two of them. He still owned Sinjon at the time, and although blind and deaf, that horse was so cherished and loved by all. I remember the day I interviewed, my sister and her baby daughter drove with me and we had to wait a while for my future employer, and here comes Bill, down the barn aisle way, he spots my niece in her stroller, and crouches down to talk to her. Great Island was beautiful with the jumping field next to the water, the big stone buildings, the barn built to resemble Gladstone....Ahhh memories!