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  • Hunter a little too hot -- how to prep?

    Title says it all. I have a hunter prospect who is cute but a little too hot. I need to develop a program that will him relax more easily. How do you (or your trainers) prep your slightly-too-hot horses? I've tried a few things and some days he's relaxed, others he's a little on edge and just needs to settle so he can move out on a looser rein. I imagine it will only get worse when I haul him out, so I want to develop a successful routine so I can have something to recreate at shows to help him.

    I usually ride jumpers, so not a lot of experience with this besides breed shows, where the answer is longe, then ride, to death for hours before the show. There has to be a better way.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    More frequent, shorter sessions. As opposed to working ever harder each day and creating the iron horse.

    Twice a day, serious 30 minutes for one, just a hack for the other. If that is not an option, just hit it every day but limit the time so you don't get it dead fit. I walk alot too, with those. Alternate days you work hard/jump and just ride long but easy. Avoid too much drill, keep them interested and work on relaxation instead of exhaustion.

    For shows, the day before you work harder then normal-not school fences, just ride longer. Get it a little more tired which you can do if you don't have it too fit. Then you school serious the next day in the early AM, put it back in the stall to relax and should need just a little light prep before the class. Avoid the OMG a SHOW theory of overschooling and overwork.

    IMO "hot" is usually just energetic and anxious complicated by being "worked down" to the point of getting progressively fitter so they take longer to work down. So you have to be smart.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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      #3
      Makes sense, findeight. He's the type that stays fit running around the field, so I he doesn't need a lot of work to be fit enough to do his job.

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      • #4
        Mine has always been on the "spicy" side of life. Not stupid "hot" but also not one who works down... she works up! Findeight's suggestion is what really works for my mare, shorter sessions with a purpose. I jump school two days before the show, day before is a flat school. Morning of the show (local stuff) we school most of the fences in the ring but keep things as low key as possible... no heavy schooling. Then she gets to hang out either at the trailer or ringside, I try to get her to nap. By then she's set to go and is pretty quiet to show even if she does look at stuff the reactivity is gone. Another thing that's made a difference is age. As a four and five year old I thought she had to be a jumper because she was soooo reactive and "hot". Now, at seven she's great. Still has her moments but overall is a nice quiet ride.
        "Beware the hobby that eats."
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        • #5
          dont take on ahorse more than you handle aas in a few months time he will be up for sale and know as a ppita horse

          in other words stick to ahorse thats ideal to your own riding level
          and caperbilites

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          • #6
            Good information. Does this work for younger horses as well that are a little "hot". My 5 year old mare is very well mannered, training is going well. It just usually takes her 20 minutes to really get down to a "hunter" way of going.
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            • #7
              My hunter can also be a little up at times. He gets a free lunge when he needs it, a ton of turnout and a free lunge morning of a show and it helps him keep his head but doesn't get him too fit.

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              • #8
                We're in the process of re-training one of our jumper mares as a Hunter and I find that in the flat work if I take a breath and keep the flat work quiet (almost sleepy), slow and relaxed, the jumping is just a progression and will remain quite, slow and relaxed as long as I don't change the ride.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by goeslikestink View Post
                  dont take on ahorse more than you handle aas in a few months time he will be up for sale and know as a ppita horse

                  in other words stick to ahorse thats ideal to your own riding level
                  and caperbilites
                  Don't write more than your own writing level and capabilities.

                  Fordtraktor is not saying he can't handle the horse, he just wanna know how to get the horse ready for the shows and looks like a hunter...as he is more used to jumper!

                  I would second the 'not get the horse too fit'!!!
                  Mine is! And so I do lots of short sessions instead of big ones.
                  She is supposed to listen (and behave) not be exhausted.
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                  • #10
                    ace and perfect prep


                    I'm trolling what can I say

                    j/k for those that are too serious on a Tuesday!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
                      Don't write more than your own writing level and capabilities.
                      As I was once sat down by my jury of peers and told of Goeslikestink's difficulties with reading and writing, I am going to school you, too. It's a long history. One she is very open about. The information she shares in her own way is extremely ethical, progressive, and downright normal!
                      So mind your manners and be aware that we are not all English majors and proof readers...... just horsemen.

                      OH..... and back on topic...... "Less is More."
                      Good advice and testimonials given already. Save the heavy longeing for horse shows when presentation really matters.

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                      • #12
                        I agree, grammar and syntax isn't always a judgment moment, but content still counts, right?
                        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                          #13
                          Thanks. GLS doesn't offend me at all. But I can ride the horse no problem, I just want to help him go his best.

                          Being fine and being great are totally different things.

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                          • #14
                            my horse is often calmed by standing and waiting...walking some and then more standing. the warm up rings and morning schools can be a nightmare, so we try to get in and out and I really have to ride the ring to protect him. if i can get him around and calm, he's done, and when it gets crowded, i don't pressure i just walk out and let him absorb.

                            Like a lot of others have said, it is dumming the situation down to nothing so as to make it old hat...but my guy is 16 and I dont really see him changing with age.

                            I also find if i change his bit to a milder or somewhat harsher whatever i feel i need, he pays more attention.

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                            • #15
                              I just don't get the whole consensus of 'don't get the horse too fit'. I see it at my barn, I see it here. They are athletes, they need to be fit to do what we ask them to do. Why risk injury asking a horse that may not be fit enough to handle what you are asking it to do because you are afraid it will be too hot? My horse does so much better the more fit she is, and all it may take is some management adjustments on the days that she is a little more 'up', like 2 rides or a quick spin on the lunge line (not lunging till death). I have a group of friends who last year left a barn where the motto was 'don't get them really fit or the ammys cant handle them'. They went to a barn where the trainer gets the horses fit, and all of the horses look so much better, and are winning more than they ever had at the previous barn. Sorry, I just don't get why so many people are scared to get their horse 'too fit'.

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                              • #16
                                Avoid routine at home - keep things different and interesting for each ride. Keep his mind focused on anything other than "omg I'm full of energy"!!

                                If he's tense, lots of change in direction, transitions, and keep him guessing. Put poles on the ground, trot and canter them. Keep him moving around, focused on you, and interested. Pick 2 things to work on that day while keeping him busy (like "I'm going to do lateral work, and then simple changes), and when he's good, give a nice pat and get off. Only do as much as you need to in order to reward good behavior.

                                If he's really tough on a given day, get off. Don't avoid issues by not putting your leg on, etc.

                                Save the lunging and multiple rides for the horse show so that you don't build on the fitness -- for the hunter ring only need a certain level of fitness (different for jumpers, dressage, etc.). If the horse is really good during a session at home, even if it is just 10 minutes, give him a pat and get off!

                                When you get off the farm, first give him a free lunge to buck, run, etc. to get rid of the nervous energy. Then give him a bath or just put him in the stall to chill out before you get on. It's a long process to figure out what each horse may need in order to relax.

                                Less grain, more hay?
                                Last edited by LH; Jul. 6, 2010, 04:52 PM. Reason: typo

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                                • #17
                                  I an NOT talking about keeping them butter soft and flabby so exhaustion works. Give me some credit here after doing this for 40+ years in 2 different disciplines with 3 breeds in those breed shows to National level honors and AHSA/USET Open to regional and National rankings, will you cut me some slack???? I cut my teeth on race bred QHs and Arabs pronounced "too hot" I bought them cheap. Won with them and resold decent, Open and breed. Never had a complaint and they just kept doing their jobs-and pinning well. Because they were TAUGHT to behave. By moi.

                                  I mean do NOT depend on them being worked to exhaustion and do NOT create the Iron Horse so they behave. TEACH them.
                                  OKAY? Dead fit is not the same as fit enough to get a little tired without hurting themselves.
                                  Jeesh... Folks, I rarely lunge let alone LTD- I don't HAVE to. I can ride them.
                                  Last edited by findeight; Jul. 6, 2010, 05:36 PM.
                                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                                  • #18
                                    The way I like to think of it with my young/green guy who can be a little fresh out of the box is...get him tired enough so that he can focus and learn. That extra time I spend in the saddle riding his socks off isn't just mind numbing laps around the ring solely trying to wear him out. I'm actively working on his education.

                                    Get him tired enough to focus so that he can learn the right thing to do. Learns the right thing to do, requires less time to take the edge off in the long run because he has learned how to behave. If he plays or acts fresh he gets sent to canter and we don't stop till he remembers he's a gentleman. At horse shows I may canter straight off just to let him know it's time to work and there will be no fooling around.

                                    I don't really worry about making them too fit, my guy often goes twice a day like findeight suggested. I really love this way of doing it. Heck we've even worked him 3x a day in the winter. He enjoys it and prepares him for the horse shows where he is often stalled between classes. It's amazing how sharp and well behaved he comes out that second time.

                                    Disclaimer: I am talking about my jumper here, but he would make a phenomenal hunter if he didn't have tons of knee/hock action. We do not gallop around like lunatics in our jumper courses

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by SkipChange View Post
                                      We do not gallop around like lunatics in our jumper courses
                                      THANK YOU.
                                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                      • #20
                                        I'd look at everything:

                                        Feeding Program - As LH said, less grain more hay. Add Beet Pulp and Oil if he needs the weight, and switch to a low starch feed if he's not already on one.

                                        Supplements - There are plenty of calming supplements out there. Some work for some horses, and not for others though, so you will have to experiment. You can try B6, Brewer's yeast, or Magnesium just to name a few things, or just go straight for the calming Supplements.

                                        Training program - You want him just fit enough for the job at hand, but not overly fit. You can experiment with different bits - some hot horses actually go better with milder bits, or double broken snaffles, or even a step up from what you are using. I like rubber Pelhems for a horse that needs a bit more "Whoa" although I hate the double rein converters people often use with them. I like the double reins because I can adjust how severe - or mild - the Pelhem is, depending on the need. I'd also look at when he is hot. Is it all the time, or just when he canters, or does he rush before or after the fences? Look at the times he is the hottest, and go from there. If it's mainly at the canter, then I'd do a lot of walk/trot/walk/halt etc transitions, and slowly add the canter in, a few strides at a time. At the risk of sounding like a Parelli freak - which I'm not - I DO like to free lunge my horses - when needed - to help them listen, and take the edge off. It's SOOO much easier to get them to listen when on the ground, verses on their backs.

                                        Soundness - Of course, make sure that he isn't hurting anywhere - Teeth, hocks, back, etc - since a lot of horses will get "hot" if they hurt. Also, check into Ulcers, especially if he's raced before.

                                        Training Aides - I don't like to do much in the form of actual aides - side reins, draw reins, etc - but I do like to use some of Linda Tellington-Jones' tools - mainly her Liberty Neck Ring: http://www.ttouch.com/shop/index.php?productID=217 I've looked everywhere, to see if anyone else made one, but I've only seen it being sold on her website. Still, it was teh best $15 I ever spent. When I'm on a hot horse, I use the Neck Ring to tell him "Whoa" while keeping my hands soft.

                                        The rider - One of the most important things about riding a hot horse, is who rides him. On hot horses you want to give them a quiet ride. I try to be as laid back as possible, because if the rider is nervous, the horse will be too. With a hot horse, you want to figure out how he likes to be ridden. Some like you to have a light seat, while others do best if you sit deep, and collect them up. You want to have still hands and legs, but don't take your legs off of him, just because he's hot. You don't want a driving leg, just a "Hey buddy, I'm right here for you." kind of leg. Plus, you will find that if he isn't in front of your leg, you won't have any breaks - not a good thing with a green, hot horse!

                                        Hope this helps some.
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