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  • Hunter Breeding! Photos added post #38

    Hunter Breeding! Horse gets LOOSE and runs around arena and gets 2nd PLACE WTF?

    Please someone explain to me how this judging works?

    Does it not matter at ALL that your horse is manageable?

    I will say the horse that won, and won over all champion was VERY nice and was placed appropriately, but the one getting 2nd place whose handler was dropping the reins, yanking it's mouth, couldn't stand it up... really? SECOND?

    As an aside, this was a OHJA show, not a USEF rated show.
    Last edited by tidy rabbit; May. 31, 2010, 04:48 PM.
    Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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    Hunter Breeding can be a joke and a half.

    4 horses entered the last class I did. One beefy, Impressive-type quarter horse (she "got to the show late" so they let her compete in the Hunter division), immaculately turned out for Western Halter and presented by a perfect sparkly Western Princess, 2 lackluster warmblood types with an array of conformation faults and nicely turned out, one plough type Clydesdale with a MASSIVE scar on her hind hock, whose handler didn't realize a hat was an important part of Hunter attire.

    Placings:

    1. Western Princess
    2. Nicer looking warmblood
    3. Clydesdale
    4. Other warmblood.


    Not too sure what the criteria was there. But me and the Clydesdale achieved our lifetime earnings ($12) in that class!
    Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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    • #3
      LOL, obviously the phrase "lacks breed/discipline type" never occurred to the judge. I don't care if it is the best damn wheel horse the Busch family ever turned out, lacking type should put a horse behind horses that have type.

      But there's HB and then there's open shows, and it's hard to compare the two. As for misbehavior on a HB class. it depends. The yearlings get more slack than the 3 year olds, the 2 year olds can be a pills and may be forgiven. If something legitimately spooks the baby, and most importantly if you as the judge really thought the poorly behaved horse was that much better, bottom line is type/quality/conformation suitable to type still counts a lot more than manners.
      Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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      • #4
        I don't care if it is the best damn wheel horse the Busch family ever turned out, lacking type should put a horse behind horses that have type.
        you didn't see the warmblood...my plough horse definitely had a more Hunter-y trot...

        I don't envy those HB judges in my area...
        Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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        • #5
          Maybe once the horse was loose, it really showed itself, like when at WB inspections the horses are let at liberty?

          Many years ago I was assisting a Saddlebred breeder with his weanling in a futurity class (two handlers for them babies, both with whips ). The filly had already won the class of 12, when next thing I knew she was loose from her halter and proudly trotting around the show ring with a huge presence. I couldn't figure out how such an experienced handler could let that baby get away. Turns out he 'allowed' her to get away with a too loose throatlatch. And got 3 offers for her when we came out of the ring...
          “You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take.” - Wayne Gretsky

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          • #6
            Unlike conformation classes at breed shows, hunter breeding is not judged on manners. The hope is that you can get the baby to stand still long enough for the judge to get a look at them. If the baby that got loose had the second best conformation in the judges opinion then it gets second.

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            • #7
              Maybe horse was trotting around all pretty and huntery-like while loose?

              Just kiddin. That sucks.

              But more importantly, how did your boy behave?
              Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
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              • #8
                Two years ago I saw a two year old drop and roll in the BYH class. There were 8 in the class and the one that rolled (and got away from it's handler) won.
                Pretty much a joke.

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                • #9
                  well, a pretty hunter trot on a horse lacking type does not necessarily trump a bad trot on a horse that looks like it is built for the job. The theory in HB is along the lines of "how much do they LOOK the part?"

                  If your horse looks the part AND walks the walk, your horse should be a big hit in the conformation division, and if he doesn't look the part but still manages to have good style, a nice jump and a decent way of going, then you have ... everything else. But HB is still all about looking the part and not a lot else, which is fine if you keep it in perspective.
                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                  • #10
                    They don't judge inept handlers.
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                    • #11
                      Nevermind...I now realize that post was directed elsewhere.
                      Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                      Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                        #12
                        My boy was great! He had peppermint Oil on his nose so he didn't notice the fillies on either side of him. Works great. He doesn't like peppermint so I didn't have to worry about him licking at it. My friend said she could smell it from the other side of the ring. LOL

                        He did canter after 3 steps of trot, so that was no good.

                        He's not a hunter type to look at but he's a super sport horse type and a lovely animal. We're doing the HB stuff just to get him out and expose him to the world, I don't expect him to win against these type-y hunters, but he'll out jump them in 4 or 5 years, that I know!

                        We've practiced so much at home that he stood great, lead great, didn't call to anyone, even his buddy on the other end of the ring who was acting the fool calling FOR HIM! So much for buddy support.
                        Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

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                        • #13
                          You probably weren't at the Congress the year that a curtain fell into the Coliseum arena at the start of a 3 year old Hunter Under Saddle class. One horse came unglued and bucked it's rider off in the general confusion. Everyone was asked to leave the arena, re enter, and the class started over. Guess which horse won?
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                          • #14
                            The mysteries of judging!

                            Glad to hear your boy was such a star. Mine would kill for a peppermint, your trick never would have worked for them!
                            ~ A true friend knows all there is to know about you and still likes you. -E. Hubbard

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                            • #15
                              Maybe they hired an arabian judge and he got confused and thought it was a liberty class?
                              http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                              • #16
                                About the peppermint oil.....it will drug test positive for a prohibited substance.
                                Anne
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                                "Where knowledge ends violence begins." B. Ljundquist

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Plumcreek View Post
                                  You probably weren't at the Congress the year that a curtain fell into the Coliseum arena at the start of a 3 year old Hunter Under Saddle class. One horse came unglued and bucked it's rider off in the general confusion. Everyone was asked to leave the arena, re enter, and the class started over. Guess which horse won?
                                  If management made the decision to start the class over from scratch, there is no reason the bucking horse shouldn't have won if he was the best one. Provided he didn't buck during the do-over.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by not again View Post
                                    About the peppermint oil.....it will drug test positive for a prohibited substance.
                                    what?!? now PEPPERMINT is prohibited? what's next- apples and sugar cubes?
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                      If management made the decision to start the class over from scratch, there is no reason the bucking horse shouldn't have won if he was the best one. Provided he didn't buck during the do-over.
                                      Very true (and it was a nice moving horse). But it sure was a topic of conversation, especially since all connections to the horse had political clout. Speculation was that the same scenario with no-name connections might have been different, same performance. Livened up the horse show, though.

                                      Judging is interesting. Reminds me of a crusty old judge's story: He placed a breeding in-hand class. Before winners were announced he walked up to the head of the line and said to the equally crusty old trainer-handler (his story, truth uncertain): "You probably know I don't like you much (exact words not included here), but I have to place you first, because you have the best horse."
                                      Last edited by Plumcreek; May. 30, 2010, 02:20 PM.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
                                        what?!? now PEPPERMINT is prohibited? what's next- apples and sugar cubes?
                                        that's werid, is it just the oil? because the treats are still used at the shows, vicks works well and it not banned as far as i know

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