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REQUIRED PHOTOGRAPHS AT ZONE FINALS-Updated with USAE response!!!!

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  • REQUIRED PHOTOGRAPHS AT ZONE FINALS-Updated with USAE response!!!!

    Okay, here is the delima. My horse hates flash photography. My sister goes in for her second round and says no photos please and was told by the photographer that they have to take pictures. Of course, the horse spooks everytime the flash goes off and sticks over the jump making a ribbon impossible. We spoke to management and was told that USAEq requires pictures taken of all participants at Zone Finals. I think it's a bunch of bull!!!! How is that fair to the horses that do not like flashes going off as they jump a jump??? All that hard work and money going down the drain all because USAEq wants a picture which isn't going to be any good because the horse is spooking!!!! I'm so fired up, this was my horse's last time jumping 3' and to have her career end on that just plain SUCKS!!!

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    Okay, here is the delima. My horse hates flash photography. My sister goes in for her second round and says no photos please and was told by the photographer that they have to take pictures. Of course, the horse spooks everytime the flash goes off and sticks over the jump making a ribbon impossible. We spoke to management and was told that USAEq requires pictures taken of all participants at Zone Finals. I think it's a bunch of bull!!!! How is that fair to the horses that do not like flashes going off as they jump a jump??? All that hard work and money going down the drain all because USAEq wants a picture which isn't going to be any good because the horse is spooking!!!! I'm so fired up, this was my horse's last time jumping 3' and to have her career end on that just plain SUCKS!!!

    "We all take different paths in life, but no matter where we go, we take a little of each other everywhere."
    - Tim McGraw

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    [This message was edited by Ethan's Mom on Oct. 21, 2003 at 08:34 PM.]
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    • #3
      That's stupid at Maclay regionals people weren't allowed to take pics.. and usually at big grand prixs they tell the audience no pics allowed.. that reallly doesn't make sense. Sorry that it caused your sis to have a bad round

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      • #4
        Best advice - ask for no flash. :\

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        • #5
          My friend was forced to circle during a gorgeous trip at Zone 2 Maclay Regionals, because her horse spooked at the flash. At M&S Finals you could tell the photographer as you went in that you didn't want a flash, which I thought was a great idea.

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            I guess that could have been an option but honestly, we didn't even think of it. We didn't know this was going to happen until she asked them no photos when she walked into the ring for her second trip. I think that the photographer could have at least done that automatically if someone asks for no pics. I think my horse would have spooked anyway. I swear, even with her ears stuffed, she still spooks at the sound of a camera.

            "We all take different paths in life, but no matter where we go, we take a little of each other everywhere."
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            • #7
              Speaking of Zones, do you have any results?

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              • #8
                I'm sorry that this happened.

                I don't believe photographs are required by USAE. Maybe the photographer was told by the show management's contract to take everybody. They certainly should have respected your sister's request, regardless.

                Let it go now that you have vented. Life is too short. Best wishes.

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                • #9
                  The same thing happened to the horse that I was grooming at zone finals. They talked to the photographer and the photographer said that he had to take pictures so that everyone's horse has an equal opportunity to be spooked. He said it was unfair to not take pictures of one horse.
                  Sammy
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                  • #10
                    Can I ask the name of this photographer. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. What if someone's horse freaked so badly that the rider or horse was injured. Wonder how he would feel about his "equal opportunity" then.
                    http://community.webshots.com/user/william7628

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                    • #11
                      In fact, asking the audience not to take pics usually means there IS a pro taking pics--if the audience can't do it, then there is more hope they will buy from the pro. That is the usual motivation there.

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                      • #12
                        Last year at Zone Finals, in one of the AA groups, a horse spooked badley at a flash, and I believe the rider also missed a distance, causing a nasty crash, and the rider ended up w/t a bloody nose. I'm not 100% sure on what exactly happened, as it was a year ago, but I know it had something to do w/t the flash

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                        • #13
                          Actually, it is not uncommon for shows to require the photographer to take pictures of all exhibitors. That is what they are hired to do, afterall.

                          It is more important at the bigger shows as they use those photographers for promotional purposes and of course you don't know the winner beforehand, so all riders have to be photographed. And that is part of the agreement you sign with the entry blank. For your likeness (picture) to be used in regards to promotion of the show.

                          PA National was that way, if pictures were taken in a class, ALL riders were treated the same and I would doubt that they would turn off the flash, as indoors, especially in the Farm Show, you would have no picture without the flash. It is simply to dark of an arena to not use the flash, and that does add to the "treating exhibitors to different conditions".

                          One reason the majority of finals are held indoors is the control factor. All exhibitors are treated to the same conditions.

                          I can understand having a horse that dislikes the flash, but it is only fair for all to be treated the same.



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                          • #14
                            I don't think this is a USAE requirement.

                            I'm sorry it happened, nobody likes to see stuff like that, and I'm sorry you are disappointed.

                            But I do think the ultimate solution is to TRAIN the horse not to spook at flashes. If the rider and trainer knew that the horse had this issue prior to the show, and failed to do anything about it, then the rider & trainer should bear the responsibility for the loss.

                            JM2C.

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                            • #15
                              I don't know who the photographer was but I do know it shouldn't have happened. As a professional photographer it is important to always remember that no photo is more important than the actual event. For several years I was the official photographer at The Garden. There were several very famous horses who did not like the flash. No matter how bad anyone wanted the photo I would not shoot those horses with a flash. Use faster film, use a wide open aperture, use a slower shutter speed, live with a grainey photo if you have to but NEVER flash at a horse that has requested no photo or no flash.
                              At FEI approved indoor events no flash is allowed. Any professional photographer who used a flash during the competition would lose their credentials immediatly.
                              There are even a few photographers who spook horses just by where they position themselves in relation to the jumps. It is never acceptable.
                              I hope it never happens to you again. You should certainly report it to management and ask them to make it clear to the photographers that they are not to interfere with any performance. Good, experience photographers know that.
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                              • #16
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clearound:
                                Can I ask the name of this photographer. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. What if someone's horse freaked so badly that the rider or horse was injured. Wonder how he would feel about his "equal opportunity" then.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                Not the photographers fault, if he is following the instructions of management or the judge to take pictures of all the riders. I doubt that any photographer wants to take pictures if they know it will cause problems, but taking pictures for management is what the photographer is paid to do.



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                                • #17
                                  Sorry, but the "only following orders" excuse doesn't work for me. Especially if it could have resulted in an injury to horse or rider. Photographer could have informed management that he would not take pic of anyone who requested otherwise. I know of other photographers who have done the same thing.

                                  I also doubt highly that the judge instructed the photographer to take the pics.
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                                  • #18
                                    A friend of mine had a fabulous first trip today and a really great ribbon, but her horse spooked at the photographer in the second, and of course, no ribbon. It was a let down, but she wasn't going to let it ruin her day completely. It would be nice if we were able to ask for no pictures, but fair is fair. Everyone has to deal with it. Some of these horses are at shows all year long with photographers, and the rider/trainer learns whether or not the horse will be bothered by it. But some of these horses go to smaller shows and never see a photographer, so how would anyone know if the flash will bother him? I think this is probably how this rule came about. Or maybe there have been complaints in the past that a rider didn't know she could request no pictures, and her horse spooked, while someone with more experience with these types of things asked for no pictures and won the class.

                                    As far as injuries go, these are animals. Photographer or not, you are likely to get hurt someday, and being in a place like Harrisburg makes those chances greater. If this rule doesn't change, and you know your horse won't deal with a camera, it looks like you might end up scratching rather than risking an injury.

                                    I don't mean to sound harsh, but if the rules weren't the same for everyone it just wouldn't be a fair competition. The hunter ring is a tough enough place to be as it is. I am very sorry to hear that having a photographer in the ring cost your horse a ribbon, especially because this was her last shot at it. I'm sure if it were my own horse I'd be pretty upset, too!

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                                    • #19
                                      I think this is absolutely ridiculous to subject every horse to flash because some other rider wants a photograph of his or her horse.

                                      First- Molly99- why in the world would a judge tell a photographer to take photos of the horses? Why would the judge have anything to do with a photographer unless the photographer got in the way and the judge wanted to throw him or her out of the ring?

                                      Second- I would love to know of a show manager who would tell you that you MUST be photographed with a flash. What if you or your horse were hurt AFTER you told management that you didnt want to be photographed? Think they want that liability?

                                      Third- show me the USAE rule that states that every rider must be photographed. A USAE steward told you that? Seriously, I am curious where in the rule book that it states this- have I missed it? Anytime that "show management" tells you that there is a rule that you've never heard of, ask them to show it to you in the rule book.

                                      Photographers take photos to sell to riders and owners and maybe trainers. They make their money from the people who buy photos- not management.

                                      As long as there is no USAE rule--If you don't want your horse photographed you should tell the photographer that you will not buy photos so do not take any pictures. And if the photographer takes your photo anyway, tell them after you are done riding that not only will you not buy that photo, they will not have you as a customer after that. And that you will write a quick note to management stating that you asked for no flash and were ignored.

                                      Let us know who the photographer is who ignored your request and who spooked your horse. We'll know to request "no flash" with this "professional" in the future.
                                      It's 2016. Do you know where your old horse is?

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                                      • #20
                                        Curious- was this in Zone 2?
                                        It's 2016. Do you know where your old horse is?

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