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  • What's the most outragious line you've ever heard from potential barn help...

    As a few of you have seen, I'm giving up on MS and moving to VA. In an attempt to keep the peace, till I go, I have even been pulling ads off the net for potential help here.

    One couple said they wanted $2000 a month for working here, EACH... This place is only 20 stalls, and not a show within 3 hours of here.... (With this kind of money I wouldn't be leaving)

    Guess their ad should have read, "we will care for 70 horse boarding stable, by ourselves - Stalls, turnout, training, EVERYTHING.." or "Want to work for Dignelli, Madden, Etc. High dollar, high rent farms"

    I think that amount sounds absurd, especially with so many places struggling now days....
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  • #2
    I dunno, from my perspective getting by on $500 a week seems really absurd too, though I know it's possible to do...
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    • #3
      I agree with caffeinated, $500 a week is not alot of money at all, unless maybe you would be offering them room and board as well?


      • #4
        I made $500 a week with housing included for a job that had no stall cleaning of any kind. Just feeding, watering, grooming, riding. Now, if they wanted to be hired as a couple at $1000/wk for the two of them, and you only need one person, that's a different form of unreasonable but by itself, $500/wk is not unreasonable pay really.

        Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, and while it was a high rent district, the barn itself wasn't that horrendously expensive to board at.
        Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
        you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.


        • Original Poster

          Yes They wanted $500 EACH

          The barn is ONLY 20 stalls, and can't pay boarders to come in. Bad area, bad economy, 3 or more barns shut down recently closer to Jackson.
          People here, who have horses, are happy to have them chained out with a logging chain (probably stolen from the logging trucks) in their front yard. I have seen this with my own eyes...
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          • #6
            $500 a week for 40 hours of work is $12.50 an hour, and I've not seen many barn work jobs that are actually only 40 hours per week. I just don't see it as being that unreasonable, particularly if the job doesn't offer housing and it's enough work to be a full time job for each.
            They're small hearts.


            • #7
              The grooms (6 for about 50 horses) at my barn get about $400/week plus housing, so $500/person doesn't seem outrageous for people who can manage the place as well. If that number surprises you, you're going to be shocked as hell by VA pricing.
              According to the Mayan calendar, the world will not end this week. Please plan your life accordingly.


              • #8
                I made that plus housing in prime horse country, VA, and that was my starting rate-- I made a lot more after I'd been there 6 months. I don't think even the stall cleaners made less than $400/wk.
                Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.


                • #9
                  you think that's HIGH?

                  Wait til you get to VA, you are going to get a rude awakening.

                  I thought from the title they wanted to get paid in crack or something, or film low budget porn in the barn after hours. I think $2000/ mo is VERY reasonable, quite low even.
                  When the boogeyman goes to sleep, he checks the closet for George Morris. -mpsbarnmanager


                  • #10
                    I agree with everyone else, I don't see why you are so outraged at them each wanting $500 a week. You keep emphasizing there are only 20 stalls, would that be their only job, to muck stalls? Or would they also be feeding, turning out, etc? I also agree with those who said you're in for a big shock if you think that is a lot and you are moving to VA.


                    • #11
                      I think the OP meant that a couple wanted $2k /month each. I don't know if that amounts to 80 hours of work per week. But if you aren't paying housing, benies and all, I don't think it's a living wage. I do see how a BO can get a little sticker shock at the prospect of shelling out $48K for barn help per year.

                      And yes, the OP may be in for a rude awakening in terms of sheer cost of everything-- land, labor, living-- when moving from MO to VA. Presumably, however, the horse community in the new spot has more discretionary income to put into their version of horsing so that it's possible to make a living at boarding and training at all. If the local economy just doesn't make lots of well-paid people almost all BOs and trainers operate on small margins.
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                      • #12
                        Could YOU live on $24K a year? I don't know many people who can. Also agree you will be shocked when you get here.

                        Why do people think the horse business should pay less than any other business? It is HARD work, lots of responsibility with little reward and few, if any, benefits. IMO, you either have to have a passion for horses, or be utterly unemployable elsewhere to try and make it in the horse world. It ain't easy.


                        • #13
                          $500/week is not unreasonable for them to ask at all.. people have to get by

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                          • #14
                            Ummmm....I don't take home much more than that at my full-time job (with a Master's degree)! So, yes, in my area, that would be an outrageous amount of money to pay for barn work at all but the nicest, largest of barns. I have worked for four different barns of various sizes/styles in the last ten years, and I have always made between $6.50 and $7.50 an hour (standard barn work + some other "management" type duties).


                            • #15
                              Then you either aren't worth a better wage or [don't] know better. I'm sorry to be blunt, but I made $500/week at a riding camp when I was 14. $500 in a weekend just to groom for five horses at a show at the same age. I was hoping you were just going to say you don't need two full timers and thought it was ridiculous they wanted full pay for splitting one job.
                              Last edited by Moderator 1; Jun. 1, 2010, 07:56 AM.


                              • #16
                                Yep, that's it, I'm stupid and incompetent. That MUST be how I worked at barns for years and was literally begged to come back by not one but two different employers when I left. Must also be how I landed a research assistantship with one of the top equine researchers in the country and how I finished my M.S. on time and was asked repeatedly to stay and finish my Ph.D.

                                It couldn't POSSIBLY be that not all of us live in well-off metropolitan areas....nope, that's not it at all. Or that we work in careers/industries that cannot and will not support higher salaries. I make almost the exact same salary as my elementary school teacher sister. Not everyone in the horse world makes (or needs to make) $40K+ a year. Welcome to the real world.


                                • #17
                                  A research assistantship is slightly different from a stable job, let's face it. Goodness knows, if you are a top researcher you can pay peanuts and get 500 REALLY amazing people to pick and choose from who will work their butts off for the pittance you pay, let you abuse them, and then thank you for it.

                                  If you advertise a pittance for stable help, you'll get 500 tweenage girls who want to ride and brush the pretty ponies and upteen slackers who fancy themselves trainers and have no intention of mucking stalls, scrubbing buckets, and doing all that *shudder* work. If you're lucky, you'll get someone with half a brain who may have seen a horse once or twice before, can do the work, and will recognize that if the horse has a leg hanging off it might be a good idea to call a vet. Possibly. If you're really lucky, you'll get someone who knows horses, works hard, recognizes the signs of various horse ailments, knows what to do about them, and actually likes both people AND horses. Or at least horses. If you get one of them, you pay them whatever they want and pray that no other barn with more cash finds out about them.
                                  According to the Mayan calendar, the world will not end this week. Please plan your life accordingly.


                                  • #18
                                    My husband and I make around $50,000 a year (which is what the total would be for these two potential employees). We have two children a nice house two vehicles a dog and a horse....So no NOT everyone needs tons of money to live on. We are doing well and are BLESSED to have two jobs!!

                                    Now that said when I was on salary I made $500 + board. I managed a 70 or so barn covered with stalls when I had to (rare) feed, groomed, rode, tacked, taught.....You name it I did it.

                                    I did have other jobs, same capacity that paid considerably less. What's listed is simply the best.

                                    Now to be outraged... maybe that's a little extreme. But everyone else shouldn't fool themselves in thinking you can't live unless you make over $2,000 a month for two people....

                                    Now that said...I have interviewed people who went to school for equine studies, graduated and have never actually touched a horse. I have had people who simply though they should be hired because they have always liked horses, some who have trail rode a few times and therefore knew what they were doing....Or the best is the parent who wants you to give their child a job because they are so great and said child can't tack up a horse or NOT run into another rider after riding for 5 years!


                                    • #19
                                      This place is only 20 stalls, and not a show within 3 hours of here
                                      I'm with the OP on this one - a quiet 20 stall barn is NOT fulltime work for 2 people especially if the job posting was for barn HELP!
                                      - ie OP will be at the barn working too


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by loshad View Post
                                        A research assistantship is slightly different from a stable job, let's face it. Goodness knows, if you are a top researcher you can pay peanuts and get 500 REALLY amazing people to pick and choose from who will work their butts off for the pittance you pay, let you abuse them, and then thank you for it.
                                        Oh, I know. That's not what I do *now*. I was pointing out that not only "stupid" people make $500 week working full time jobs.