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  • Why jog if lame horses are never pulled out?

    One of the things I like to do to improve my own riding is to watch lots and lots of horse shows. I like to go watch the A rated stuff I would like to one day show in, and just watch and see what happens.

    Anyway. Awhile back (maybe 2-3 months ago) I was watching what I think was a 3' medal class. There were 15-ish in the class, and everyone had pretty decent rounds. One of the horses had a pretty good round, but was very off. She (the horse) just looked really stiff and sore all over, and was limping off one of her front feet to the point you could see the pain reaction in her head movement.

    This class included a jog, and this one was jogged out at 5th place. Horse was still gimpy all the way out, and all the way back.

    Horse still pinned at 5th.

    As I turned to my (more horsey experienced) friend and asked "what the heck??", she explained that they only pull horses out if it is really really bad, because it can be contested and judges usually don't want to start a whole big thing.

    So, I ask, "why bother jogging if no one is going to do anything anyway?"

    This was an A rated show with all the things you would expect, so I don't get it.
    "Look, I'm trying not to test the durability of the arena with my face!" (Because only GM can do that.)

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    I have seen a couple horses pulled out of jogs. One was at Zone 2 hunter finals and others have been at local A shows. It does happen.
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    • #3
      At some shows, the jog is required as a formality... so it's done really only because it's required.

      Has anyone ever seen a horse bumped in placings (in the recent past), I wonder? Nevermind - just read the post above mine!
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      • #4
        I have seen horses spun in jogs at A shows. It's not common but it does happen (and depends on the judge's willingness to "go there.")

        If you saw a jog, it was not a medal (equitation) class, but a hunter round. Eq horses don't jog (and are only required to be "serviceably sound" ... a subjective call on the part of the official, obviously.)
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        • #5
          Yep, I've seen horses pulled from jogs a few times, it definitely happens.
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          • #6
            seen it happen.
            "ronnie was the gifted one, victor was the brilliant intellect, and i [GM], well, i am the plodder."

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            • #7
              The class you watched wasn't a medal class- medal classes don't include jogs. I have seen questionably sound horses not get a second glance in the jog, and moderately unsound ones get tossed rather quickly. It depends on the class and the judge.

              I think you're much more likely to see horses get spun from the regular, 3'6" jogs than you are from the unrated 3' rings. Seems the concept of "serviceably" sound is rather subjective.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post

                I think you're much more likely to see horses get spun from the regular, 3'6" jogs than you are from the unrated 3' rings. Seems the concept of "serviceably" sound is rather subjective.
                unrated classes usually don't jog, regardless on height.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rockfish View Post
                  unrated classes usually don't jog, regardless on height.
                  Believe some Zones make a call that Ch/AA do. Zone 7 did in the 90s, don't know if they still do. I remember when they debated eliminating the Childrens jog . . . all the kids were bummed about it. Definitely more of a spotlight thing than soundness thing to them.

                  After 2 years in the junior ring I was pretty over it though

                  Have definitely seen horses spun. And not spun. Just another one of those beautiful hunter ring quirks
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rockfish View Post
                    unrated classes usually don't jog, regardless on height.
                    In zone 3, the childrens hunters and AAs absolutely do jog. I believe this is true of several zones on the east coast.
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                    • #11
                      Zone 4 jogs childrens and adult amateurs.
                      "ronnie was the gifted one, victor was the brilliant intellect, and i [GM], well, i am the plodder."

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                      • #12
                        I would have thought someone in Zone 3 would have known that Childrens' and AA's jogged. They have for 30 years.
                        'Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.'
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                        • #13
                          Zone 2 does not jog Childrens, AAs or Pe-Greens.

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                          • #14
                            wow. some of you need reading comprehension lessons. the post I quoted said you'd be less likely to see a horse spun from an unrated 3' ring. well, unrateds don't jog!


                            Ch/AA are rated classes-rated C, therefore they do jog.

                            Nowhere did I say ch/AA doesn't jog. Thanks for jumping on me.
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                            • #15
                              I've seen it a few times as well in the AA Hunters up here in Canada

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Rockfish
                                emphasis on unrated!

                                the ch/aa's are rated c, therefore they do jog.
                                It varies by Zone. Some jog the children's and adults, some do not.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Rockfish View Post
                                  wow. some of you need reading comprehension lessons. the post I quoted said you'd be less likely to see a horse spun from an unrated 3' ring. well, unrateds don't jog!


                                  Ch/AA are rated classes-rated C, therefore they do jog.

                                  Nowhere did I say ch/AA doesn't jog. Thanks for jumping on me.
                                  The C rated divisions do not jog in Zone 9. I don't know if they ever did. Didn't live here at the beginning of the Zone stuff.

                                  They use to in Zone 5 but haven't in a very long time.

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                                  • #18
                                    Alright, excuse my vagueness. I do not consider "C rated" divisions rated at all- if I'm at an A or AA show, "unrated" is any class that does not accrue national points (Pre-green/Ch./AA/mini-medals, etc). So when I referred to an "unrated" 3' division, I was in fact referring to what you're calling "C rated".

                                    Sorry for the confusion.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
                                      Alright, excuse my vagueness. I do not consider "C rated" divisions rated at all- if I'm at an A or AA show, "unrated" is any class that does not accrue national points (Pre-green/Ch./AA/mini-medals, etc). So when I referred to an "unrated" 3' division, I was in fact referring to what you're calling "C rated".

                                      Sorry for the confusion.
                                      Kind of where I was coming from too, and had no intention of jumping on you Rockfish.
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                                      • #20
                                        "Serviceably sound".... That's sick

                                        I have a horse that goes a tad lame because she's prone to bruising her heel. If I notice this I don't ride or if I notice it mid ride I STOP. I don't say oh well she's pretty much sound because her lameness is very very subtle. The day I would dare try to compete her when she wouldn't pass a strict jog someone please shoot me as I have lost my mind.

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