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  • Beval Bridle - Should I strip it?

    I just bought a new beval bridle, and my trainer told me to strip it before the initial oiling, but my gut feeling is that I shouldn't.

    Is my gut telling me the truth or should I follow my trainer's advice?
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    Depends on what trainer means by 'strip'. If they mean 'strip' by using a regular cleaner (glycerine soap, effax ledercombi, even some palmolive...whatever your choice is) to get off the waxy protective layer most new leather comes with- then yes. That way the oil can actually absorb. If they mean using something more serious, like ammonia (which is reserved for stripping seriously nasty stuff)- then it's a fairly horrible idea for new tack IMO.

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    • #3
      Depends. If it's coated in a sexy soft waxy layer, just warm it up and massage it in with you hands. Some cheaper leather is coated in something almost like a sealant and unless you strip that off, the oil will just bead up on the leather.

      Which beval bridle did you get? Does it seem to be coated in anything?
      Originally posted by tidy rabbit
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      • #4
        Not sure which bridle you have, but I have the Beval Heritage bridle. I simply massaged the waxy coating in with my fingertips and then applied one light coat of oil. That was all that was needed.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
          Depends. If it's coated in a sexy soft waxy layer, just warm it up and massage it in with you hands. Some cheaper leather is coated in something almost like a sealant and unless you strip that off, the oil will just bead up on the leather.

          Which beval bridle did you get? Does it seem to be coated in anything?
          I agree with this, if you bought a Beval Heritage bridle just work it in with your hands and oil. If its one of their less expensive bridles and seems to be coated with something heavy, then clean it will castile soap first.

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          • #6
            I have never had a Beval bridle that needed to even be cleaned at all before oiling, and it's my bridle brand of choice, so I've had a few. I haven't had anything lower than the ltd 2.

            I like to break it all the way down, dip each part in high quality oil, rub with rag, dip again and put the whole thing in a ziploc bag and leave it in the hot sun all day. Presto, perfect bridle. I should be a Beval Spokesperson, I love them so.
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            • #7
              I have a Ltd 2 and a Heritage. I gotta' tell you, I am not thrilled with the Ltd 2 and I am surprised. The edges of the leather are dyed with some reddish material. The leather itself took oil fine (no need to strip) but the edges remain the dyed color. I don't like it. I didn't expect that from English leather and I am a bit bummer. By Heritage is a thing of beauty... I thought the Ltd 2 would make sense as an everyday bridle... but I just don't dig it. Beval has been A+++ to deal with though, it has to be said. I just don't dig the construction of this bridle.

              To answer the question... no need to strip, just clean with soap and massage off any waxy coating.
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              • #8
                vxf111,

                I think there is something wrong with your ltd2. I have never had one like that, and the one I just got on clearance is not like that either. If I were you, I'd ask them to take it back. I actually bought mine as a schooling bridle, and looked at it and thought I liked it as much as my New Canaan.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kingpin View Post
                  Depends on what trainer means by 'strip'. If they mean 'strip' by using a regular cleaner (glycerine soap, effax ledercombi, even some palmolive...whatever your choice is) to get off the waxy protective layer most new leather comes with- then yes. That way the oil can actually absorb. If they mean using something more serious, like ammonia (which is reserved for stripping seriously nasty stuff)- then it's a fairly horrible idea for new tack IMO.
                  Not true. I've been using ammonia to strip the wax off of new tack for 30+ years and all my bridles have oiled up beautifully.
                  Laurie

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                  • #10
                    Not at it quite 30 years

                    Originally posted by lauriep View Post
                    Not true. I've been using ammonia to strip the wax off of new tack for 30+ years and all my bridles have oiled up beautifully.
                    But I haven't seen a coat of this light wax so thick it needed ammonia. It was added to fine leather (usually British) to preserve it during shipping. A towel takes it off.

                    I'm not sure, but I think the Ltd2 Bridles might be made from Italian leather. Do they seem to have a fine grain but slightly opaque finish? (For you tack archeologists, these look different from spankin' new New Canaans.) Anywho, the opaque finish and red die coming off the edges could be why the OPs trainer says strip.... and you mean chemically strip, right? Not just water?

                    I don't think you should have to. But then I'm not a fan of this kind of leather.
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                    • #11
                      You rub it in, I take it off. End result is the same. I have mainly worked on English made bridles, and have found various amounts of the wax, or tallow, on the leather. I remove it. It is not a necessary component of a beautifully oiled bridle.

                      My point was to kingpin that it is NOT a horrible thing to do to a bridle, as long as you oil or condition immediately. I currently have 20 bridles hanging in the tackroom, nearly all originally oiled by me, and using this method, and all are lovely. All.
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                        #12
                        Thanks for all the replies. It's an LTD2.

                        My trainer wants me to strip it with Nail Polish Remover. I ask if I should or shouldn't because it doesn't feel nearly as waxy as my previous bridle (it actually feels completely naked in comparision).

                        The edges don't seem to be dyed or red that I've noticed (and believe me my previous bridle was very red and dyed and icky)

                        I think I'll go the saddle soap method first.
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                        • #13
                          Nail polish remover? Seriously?

                          Um, Just.Say.No. (If you need back up, I am quite sure that you can call Beval and inquire what they recommend, and get a similarly horrified reaction to the nail polish remover suggestion.)

                          If you don't want to take the time to just gently work the bridle a bit with your hands to get rid of the coating, then do as mvp suggests and towel it off. Or use Castile soap, which is an excellent product to gently clean leather without stripping it. Then oil <lightly> with the product of your choice. I use olive oil, myself, and have had wonderful results for the last several decades, but regular neatsfoot works perfectly well also.

                          I personally do not ever use ammonia on my tack at all, with the exception of perhaps using a glug or two in a bucket of warm water if I come across tack that is truly filthy... in which case it wouldn't be my tack since I am ridiculously diligent about its care.
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                          • #14
                            Beval's leather care advice:

                            •Good quality British bridles initially need only a light oiling on the flesh side.
                            Never soak strapgoods in oil for any length of time.

                            I got a Heritage bridle about a year ago. It has only ever seen Carr&Day&Martin saddle soap and Passier conditioner on the flesh side. It is gorgeous.

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                            • #15
                              Nail polish remover? That's some big chemical guns. If you do it will you post the results, for the sake of science and all of humanity? I'd try it on a small, sacrificial piece of tack first.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Void View Post
                                Thanks for all the replies. It's an LTD2.

                                My trainer wants me to strip it with Nail Polish Remover. I ask if I should or shouldn't because it doesn't feel nearly as waxy as my previous bridle (it actually feels completely naked in comparision).

                                The edges don't seem to be dyed or red that I've noticed (and believe me my previous bridle was very red and dyed and icky)

                                I think I'll go the saddle soap method first.
                                I'd never use something like that on my tack. Scary suggestion, IMO.
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                                  #17
                                  Okay good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who had a visceral reaction to that. I'd gladly use it on my old bridle because its awful anyways.

                                  This is my first bridle that has come to me as a "baby" so I want to raise it right . Thanks for the advice!
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                                  • #18
                                    I also just bought and ltd2 on clearance. I just brought it to tack shop and had it dipped. Looks great

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                                    • #19
                                      i've taken care of all my tack in the way i was taught, and i have bridles and saddles that have lasted and stayed beautiful since i was a teenager. which makes them 20 years old.


                                      when it's new, and periodically for a deep clean and oil replenishment:

                                      1. rub firmly with sponge, water and castile soap, wipe with a clean damp cloth to remove protective wax/tallow on a new piece of equipment (or on used strapgoods, to remove the general sweat/glycerine/dust residue). let dry.

                                      2. apply a light coat of pure neatsfoot oil. if you want it to darken heat a bit of olive oil (not too hot) and use that. let dry for an hour or so, and apply a light second coat. let it dry for an hour or so.

                                      3. buff with a damp/almost dry sponge saturated with glycerine soap to seal in the moisture and put on a nice shine.


                                      for maintenance between deep cleans, wiping down with glycerine saddle soap is both cleansing and moisturizing enough. but periodically, in my experience, leather really needs the thorough cleansing that castile provides. there's a lot of fat in glycerine soap (hence why it's both cleansing and moisturizing) and so although it cleanses your leather, it does produce a residue over time.
                                      Last edited by KristieBee; May. 9, 2010, 04:29 PM. Reason: more detail! :)
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                                      • #20
                                        No way to nail polish remover!! Follow Beval's leather care advice.
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