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Perfect Prep Questions- is it USEF Legal and safe?

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  • Perfect Prep Questions- is it USEF Legal and safe?

    Giving some thought to using Perfect Prep for my horse. He is generally an "excited" horse and a few people have recommended using Perfect Prep to help ease his apprehension.

    Just wondering if anyone has ever used this product before, their thoughts on the product and if it really is USEF legal with regards to drug testing. Appreciate any insight people may have.
    Last edited by SUET1999; May. 4, 2010, 01:31 PM.
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    I've never used it but our local tack shop sells tons of it and part of its popularity is because it apparently is legal.

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      There is a difference between being legal and testing.
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        If you give your horse any substance to alter it's behavior, as in calm it? Not legal.

        Tack shop may sell alot of it for unrated shows that don't test or other unregulated competitions.

        Whether it shows up in the current blood and urine? No idea-but that forbidden substance list changes all the time. Call USEF and read them the label of ingredients-if there isn't one? It's a risk.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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          Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
          There is a difference between being legal and testing.
          Yes I know, I have been told it is legal, although I don't know that for a fact.

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            My understanding is that it's an herbal thing....

            I don't think it'll test as of today, but I wouldn't say it's "legal" to alter the behavior of your horse with a tube of paste.

            Does it work? I've seen it used on horses where it's moderately useful, and where it did nothing at all.

            It's almost like giving banamine to a colicy horse. If that horse is really painful it wears off really fast, if they're not so painful it takes way longer for the drug to wear off. So the wilder the horse is the less it does for them.

            I wouldn't use it... but I have two bay geldings that need zero prep and do the jumpers usually. If someone had a super hot chestnut mare they were trying to show as a hunter I could see someone having a different tune.
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            • #7
              Unless they list the contents? You cannot know what is in it and I would not accept assurances "it won't test".

              Just ask some of our biggest Jumper names about feeding a supplement that "won't test". About 12 years ago now...quite embarrassing.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                If you give your horse any substance to alter it's behavior, as in calm it? Not legal.
                Easy to say, harder to draw the line and create a rule that actually works.

                I "give" my horses a fairly well thought out concoction on a daily basis with the intended effect of keeping them calmer. I have specifically added this item with the primary goal of keeping my horses calmer than they would otherwise be without it. It has some othe benefits, but make no mistake, my INTENTION is clear.

                Is it legal?

                Does it test?

                Final question, anyone want to take a guess as to what it is?

                (hint, you can't find it in Dover, but you can find it in Wal Mart and feed stores).
                Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                  Appreciate the responses. I should be clear, as my post comes off misleading. I am not looking to alter him for shows as that is clearly illegal and certainly NOT what I am looking to achieve. My horse is on nothing other than grass and grain-I don't even allow my horse to have mints or sugar

                  He is hot at home. I don't want people to have the impression that he is not in a working routine as he is. I work him hard, long turnout, lowered food and it was suggested that I change his routine maintenance program with perfect prep to help him. Some days he can be good, other days he is just flat out hot. He is not young, so this isn't a green thing or mileage.

                  My concern is two fold with perfect prep or something like it : 1.is perfect prep effective and safe for him and 2. should he be USEF drug tested would he be clean with perfect prep in his system as used as part of a daily maintenance.
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                  • #10
                    i have a horse that is a bit hypervigilant and add - supplements with magnesium and vitamin b are very effective for him. that is the main factor behind perfect prep. however, for what it's worth - my horse was actually jittery on it - even on three scoops of it. but does amazingly well on half a scoop of dynamite's easy boy. every horse is different but i've tried many brands, quiesscence, smartcalm, and perfect prep....but for my horse, dynamites easy boy is by far the best. i give smartcalm second place. fwiw, we were tested last year on smartcalm (before i switched to easy boy) and came out fine. it's my understanding that because these are naturally occurring minerals and amino acids in the horse's body it's pretty hard to test for them.

                    on one hand it's wrong to give your horse something to alter his behavior - on the other, our soils are deficient in many things and feeding our stalled horses hay, as we must do, does deprive them of the natural herbal selection and variety they'd give their own bodies if they were grazing in the wild. so maybe we're not 'altering' them - maybe we're putting them back in better balance, giving them something their diets lack? just a thought.

                    after seeing the effect the mag/vite b supps have on my horse, i now take them too! i sleep better, am more focused, and i feel so much less anxious. am i deliberately calming myself down? you bet. lol. is it totally natural? yep.
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                      I actually just started Vitamin B for myself as well!!
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                        DMK, I'm betting it's sunflower seeds - high in both magnesium and B-1. It also makes them shiny and waterproof.
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                          I'll reiterate the point i made in the joint supplements thread: not all minerals and supplements are created equal. be sure the minerals are chelated - ie bound with protein amino acids. or your horse will be peeing out more than it's absorbing. and you'll have nice, calm shavings.
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                            Originally posted by SUET1999 View Post
                            I actually just started Vitamin B for myself as well!!
                            haha yay! one note - it can REALLY make you hungry. so if you start having a raging appetite, the B can be the culprit. i tend to take more magnesium (and manganese, btw) than B for that reason. same effect, less snackishness!
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                              Excellent point- hence why I never put him on an supplements
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                                I'm going attribute those pesty few pounds to that!!
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                                  Originally posted by Sleepy View Post
                                  DMK, I'm betting it's sunflower seeds - high in both magnesium and B-1. It also makes them shiny and waterproof.

                                  Same idea, but they went up in price so it's just ... vegetable oil. Yes, I (oh the horrors) explicitly feed my horses a high fat diet to keep them calm. I do it for a lot of other reasons, but really, can't the same be said for dex?

                                  Honestly, a rule is only as good as its ability to be understood by rational people and enforced by (one hopes) rational people. It's all fine and well to say something like "you can't give a horse any substance with the intent to make it calm" or even "any herbal with the intent to make it calm" unless you can define "anything" or even "herbal" in a way people can understand it and comply with it. My feed has herbs in it, fer chrissake! That feed is high fat. I feed that brand of feed in part because it is a high calorie/high fat feed that I can stuff to my hard keeper and keep him in good weight without having him in full blown psychotic orbit.

                                  Am I or am I not violating the rule?

                                  Based on a statement regarding "intent" and a loosely defined term like "substance" or "herbs" how would I know? Sorry, we have to do a better job than this. I know it's a lot like pornography, you know it when you see it, but a rule has to be more narrowly defined (i.e., say tryptophan or valerium or magnesium levels greater than X are illegal) than this unless we get to trot up to the Supreme Court to settle this sort of thing whenever we are caught.

                                  In the real world, I'm pretty confident that I am not violating the rule or its intent. Just like I'm pretty sure most of those OTC remedies don't really work, but that is another topic.
                                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                    I personally am very leery of supplements. They are under minimal regulation, and thus have no incentive to follow Good Manufacturing Practices or quality assurance standards. The ingredients and proportions in the bucket you buy today are not necessarily the same as the bucket you bought last month or the the one you'll buy next month. Therefore, it might contain a non-testing level of a specific substance...or it might contain a level that is off the charts. Or anything in between. Without a chemical analysis, you have no real knowledge what you're giving your horse.

                                    Also, don't be sucked in by the word "natural." There is no regulatory definition for that word (as opposed to, say, "organic," which is very specifically defined). Hemlock is natural, but it still kills you.
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                                    • #19
                                      As far as I am concerned, almost everything we give to show horses is to alter their behavior: I do not feed alfalfa because I had one that went batty on it. Straight timothy is generally all I feed. High fat, low starch grains, joint supplements or injections, chiropractic, massage, shoeing, depo: all to alter the way they go.

                                      What about work schedule? Morning rides in the ring, lunging, hand walks, warm up classes are all done to alter the horse's behavior.

                                      Once the first requirement of a show hunter was to be quiet; not a good jumper, not a good mover, not sound, but quiet being the number one necessity, almost everything done is to produce quiet. If the judging criteria won't change, the drug rules should. Allow something like ace and the need for stacking NSAIDS, multiple joint injections, etc. goes out the window.
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                                        Perfect prep is not testable I had a horse tested and it did not come up, it is safe. I think the results depend on the individual horse. Go to the website it tells you what is in perfect prep and what it does very informative website. The website is http://www.perfectprepeq.com/perfectPrepEq.aspx. Many BNT's are using perfect prep and love it.

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