• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Stabilizer or Innovation?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Stabilizer or Innovation?

    Hi there,
    I believe there was a thread like this a while ago, not sure how to search for old threads...
    Im thinking about making the jump to a County (been thinking for a while/saving some $$$) LOVED the innovation w/the knee/thigh blocks, but im pretty sure those features are in the newer Innovations and Im just not so sure I can afford a brand new one... Which do you guys prefer? The Stabilizer or the Innovation? Any idea how some of the older Innovations that are out there right now compare to some of the newer ones?
    the "I'm In My 20's and Hope to Be a Good Rider Someday" clique

  • #2
    I thought I liked the stabilzer first, but after riding in the conquest I was hooked. It really has a nice spot when I jump - puts me more on my jean pockets than my inseam if that makes sense. yet its still easy to get two-point.

    I tried the innovation, but the demo I tried had larger thigh blocks which I did not like. I am waiting for the rep to bring me one with standard blocks, so that I can compare the seat of the innovation vs. the conquest.

    Have you tried the conquest?

    There are lots of demo and used innovations with blocks on-line, ebay, trumbull mtn etc. And there are lots of stabilizers as well. I dont think you will have to by new if you go with the innovation, there seems to be a lot out there.

    Wish I could say the same for the conquest - most I see are prices darn-near close to new, so I may wind up ordering new if I dont like the innovation.
    \"A smart lady knows its ok to change her mind, a damn fool never does\"

    Comment


    • #3
      I love my innovation - although I cannot compare it to the stabilizer as I have never ridden in one. My innovation is quite new (although bought used) so I am uncertain how the older ones compare. However, it was my understanding that the innovation was a fairly new saddle design for County, so I don't know how old the oldest model would be.

      However, I have to say that I disagree with keep1belle about there being an abundance of used innovations for sale. I found mine used after a few months of searching - and rarely ever see used ones available. However, you should talk to your County rep, as he or she may have a few demos that will be discounted for you to try. I do see more stabilizers offered for sale used.

      There have been a lot of threads on County saddles - if you want to search for them go to the search tab at the top, click on "advanced search" and enter the search term "county saddle" or something along those lines and you should be able to find a lot of threads on them. It might be helpful. Good luck!

      Comment


      • #4
        I'm pretty sure that the knee/thigh blocks have always been offered in the Counties and I know for a fact that they've always been offered in the Innovations. So whether you find a used one with/without kneeblocks really only has to do with the custom configuration the original owner ordered. The newer Innovations are identical, I believe, to the "older" ones (they've only been offering the Innovation for 4 or 5(ish?) years, so there aren't many OLDer ones out there), so really nothing to compare between new and old. Again, any differences you find will be based upon the configuration ordered by the original person. And boy can that make a difference! I sold my first Innovation (bought sight unseen) to TidyRabbit and ordered a new one (same tree size) and it could have been an entirely different model for how differently the two fit (both me and the horse). So deciding you want a County is great, but like with many saddles, it's going to come down to what you actually put on your horse and like for both you and (s)he.

        As for the difference between the two saddles....

        I've found that my Innovation has a slightly more forward balance than my Stabilizer and I much prefer it over the bigger fences. I don't think it feels like the seat is any deeper (many people will say they don't like the feel of the deeper seat on the Innovation, but I think that's related, again, to configuration)....I have a short forward flap, so perhaps that's part of why I think mine feels different? I would call the seats on both saddles moderate (not deep, but not nearly as shallow as one of the old-style saddles). The two fit the horse slightly differently too. The Innovation has a tree that's a bit wider than the Stabilizer (so a N Innovation is a little wider than a N Stabilizer), so you need to take that into account on how each fits the horse as well.

        I prefer to do my dressage work in my Stabilizer, though, and in general I prefer my Stabilizer (with only small knee blocks) on my sausage-like WB mare. I prefer my Innovation (with massive knee and thigh blocks, btw) on my TB gelding. I think it all comes down to how each fits each horse, and honestly, I think my preferences between my two is mostly related to the feel of the small unobtrusive knee blocks versus the gargantuan ones.
        __________________________________
        Flying F Sport Horses
        Horses in the NW

        Comment


        • #5
          I just put in my order for a new Stabilizer XTR (7 weeks till arrival!). Tried all of the models, and liked this one the best. My second choice would have been the Conquest. It was very comfortable and I felt very well-balanced in it. Just preferred the Stabilizer XTR more.

          If ordering new, all blocks (knee and calf) can be altered to suit your requirements (pencil, medium, large) or left off all together. The Innovation was also very comfortable, but the seat was a little bit deeper than what I am used to.

          Rep said that most people who tend to do strictly or mainly jumpers prefer the Innovations, while most hunter riders prefer the Stabilizers. As I have always ridden in pancake flat, no block, no knee roll saddles, I just went with what I was most comfortable in, as opposed to what the trend for the particular ring is. If you don't want to spend the $$ for a new one, most reps will have an extensive list of demo saddles available, but honestly, from what I saw, prices were not that much less than new. I do know they are very hard to find used online, as I think most people never want to get rid of their old ones. My trainer has one that is 25 years old, one that is 22 years old, and just ordered a new one. Wouldn't part with either of her older ones.
          ~*Friend of bar.ka*~

          Comment


          • #6
            All I can say is when I bought my Stabilizer I tried both and really didn't like the Innovation on me/my horse. IMHO they were really different altho don't know enough to describe why.

            So I guess my point is I'd be sure to try both.

            Comment


            • #7
              You just have to try them. As you can see from the above posts, it all comes down to personal preference. I have a Stabilizer and an Innovation, and I greatly prefer the Innovation. My trainer has also ridden in both (not mine) and prefers the Innovation. In fact, he bought an Innovation for himself. BTW, we're hunter riders. So, yes, the Innovation can be used in the hunter ring. You need to decide what YOU like.

              Comment


              • #8
                I have had both-

                There is no comparisonto either.

                If you like flat -- Stabilizer

                If you like a saddle to tell your upper body where to be Innovation.

                The people of COunty are great - unfortunatley the saddles do not work on my horse. Great leather too.

                But truly if you are going to spend this much -- then you should take more time and demo the two.
                Jump in them , bigger jumps too. Video yourself.
                In my experience the saddle can allter your riding.

                I felt the saddles are so drasctically different.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Try them both. I prefered the innovation on my last horse, but was going to trade it in or buy a new stabilizer for my new horse because on HIM I liked it better... So try them both!!
                  Originally posted by tidy rabbit
                  Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    As others have said, you just have to try them and compare. It can really make a difference which horse you are on, as well, I have found. I have a Stabilizer that I really like on one of my horses (that it was built for), but it supposedly fits another of mine and I'm not crazy about it on him. The horse that it was made for really "told" us that he liked the Stabilizer tree better than the Innovation when we were doing saddle fittings -- it made a huge difference in his movement and attitude. I had an Innovation for one horse that I HATED -- I think part of the problem was the flap was forward and I'm short legged, so it just didn't fit me well. But I could put it on another horse that I was riding and really liked it on him.

                    I've been saddle shopping for one horse lately and again preferred the Stabilizer on him -- he's ultra wide, so the Innovation felt really wide on him (there always seems to be a lump where the stirrup bars are to me, and I don't feel that on the Stabilizer). I came over to County from a Tad Coffin so it may be that is why I lean toward the flatter Stabilizer.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    X