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  • #41
    Disgustingly unsportsmanlike behaviour in my opinion.

    Do your homework at home so you don't need to have a temper tantrum in the show ring when your training holes pop up.

    Don't care that the situation is hard to replicate "at home". It's only a combo of two jumps for Pete's sake, it's not the Devil's Dyke. Discreetly try to get over and if you fail, tip your hat and leave the ring. Go home, build a similar combo and work on it there. Once you've refused the jump, you're not winning anyways. No need to make a spectacle of yourself and let your ego get the best of you because your horse sucked back and got behind the leg...it happens to all of us, whether it be in the 3' hunters of the GP ring.
    Proud Member of the "Tidy Rabbit Tinfoil Hat Wearers" clique and the "I'm in my 30's and Hope to be a Good Rider Someday" clique

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    • #42
      Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
      Especially the Pirate Code, aaarrrgh!
      More like guidelines really.






      To whomever said the horse was going forward after the initial smack, making the next ones unnecessary...have you never felt a stop coming, added leg or stick and felt the horse move forward only to have it bail at the last second anyway? I see it all the time.

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      • #43
        i have had several very good instructors tell me that if I cant get the point across with 1, I shouldnt be riding.

        This was EXCESSIVE, and it was rule breaking and thusly should be punished... Abuse? eh. there are much worse things, BUT then again qualifying abuse is not really fair either.

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        • #44
          my question is, why is he showing at a huge event if the horse 'obviously has an issue with water'? Why not do some smaller grand prixs with the horse first? I think he had a tantrum and I hope he gets in trouble. I saw a girl almost get kicked out of a class at HITS for doing something like this. If her, why not him? Granted, hers was not as abusive as this ride was.

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          • #45
            I agree with those who said it was not abuse, but inappropriate in the show ring. We've all felt that kind of sucking back, and know how hard it can be to correct, but the point is in the show ring you try and time your 3 smacks effectively, and if they don't work, you leave the ring quietly without making a fuss.

            I think he should have to pay whatever fines/penalties exist for the 3-smack rule, and we should all move on with our lives.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
              The rule is 3 smacks. It should be enforced, no matter who you are, so I'm glad they're doing it.
              Me too, but shouldn't he have been disqualified during the class ?
              or was he, and I missed that ....

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              • #47
                Karen Robinson talked about this incident on her blog. This happened in March and now the FEI and USEF are getting around to looking at it. You really have to wonder what was going on with the stewards and why he was not presented with a yellow card at the time. Were the stewards all tying their shoelaces at the same time?

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by mroades View Post
                  And I would venture to guess that 99% of the folks screaming abuse have never even come close to jumping an FEI level course with an open water in it....sigh.
                  Hmmmm

                  Let's follow this trail and see where it goes.

                  If the rule is three hits, then more hits would come under the umbrella
                  of abuse (otherwise why limit the number of hits allowed).

                  If the rider is sanctioned/penalized/disqualified for breaking the three hit rule
                  by officials, that means he was found to have abused his horse.

                  Now, how many of those same officials have ever ridden "an FEI level course
                  course with an open water" ?

                  Probably not many.

                  But the officials are able to recognize it as abuse and take the action their job requires of them.

                  So... having ridden the same kind of course has nothing to do
                  with recognizing abuse.

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                  • #49
                    Abuse...no...excessive punishment...yes...to be used in the show ring....no....did it get the horse over the jump....yes.....would I do it...NO (hell, smacks like that to my horse would make him rebel even worse, but that's just my brat) have I ever been in that experience...no...hence, who am I to judge...?? but that's just IMHO.

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                    • #50
                      Is there not a rule in relation to how a crop is used? I thought I remembered a rule about not being allowed to lift your arm above shoulder level when using a crop. I think the manner in which he used the crop makes the incident much more inflammatory. There is of course the issue of the additional force such a technique affords but in addition it makes it look much worse - I'm sure many people would find the video less offensive if Morrissey was not making such a production of taking the bat full swing a dozen times.

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                      • #51
                        [QUOTE=NorthFaceFarm;4805323]More like guidelines really.


                        Perhaps next time the horse falls behind he should get left behind. That'll learn 'im.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by Spud&Saf View Post
                          Disgustingly unsportsmanlike behaviour in my opinion.

                          Do your homework at home so you don't need to have a temper tantrum in the show ring when your training holes pop up.

                          Don't care that the situation is hard to replicate "at home". It's only a combo of two jumps for Pete's sake, it's not the Devil's Dyke. Discreetly try to get over and if you fail, tip your hat and leave the ring. Go home, build a similar combo and work on it there. Once you've refused the jump, you're not winning anyways. No need to make a spectacle of yourself and let your ego get the best of you because your horse sucked back and got behind the leg...it happens to all of us, whether it be in the 3' hunters of the GP ring.
                          Couldn't agree more.

                          The word "abuse" has been corrupted in our sport and is hard to define, but I think anything that makes Joe or Jane Spectator cry abuse is inappropriate for a public event. I also think that horse suffered more than it should have for that error. There are other ways to drive a horse to a fence besides raising the crop over your head and hitting it 12+ times.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                            Hmmmm

                            Let's follow this trail and see where it goes.

                            If the rule is three hits, then more hits would come under the umbrella
                            of abuse (otherwise why limit the number of hits allowed).

                            If the rider is sanctioned/penalized/disqualified for breaking the three hit rule
                            by officials, that means he was found to have abused his horse.

                            Now, how many of those same officials have ever ridden "an FEI level course
                            course with an open water" ?

                            Probably not many.

                            But the officials are able to recognize it as abuse and take the action their job requires of them.

                            So... having ridden the same kind of course has nothing to do
                            with recognizing abuse.
                            Too much of a leap here. Too much vs abuse. NOT the same thing. And 3 hits was very arbitrary. It just happened to garner the most votes when the rule was made. It could just have easily been 6 or 10. Don't read too much into it.
                            Laurie

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                            • #54
                              Tha Ridge, your comment makes it sound like you think marketability or the lack thereof is a consideration here? As if, the idea that there might be a loss of money involved somehow makes this more acceptable?
                              www.ncsporthorse.com

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by Roxy SM View Post
                                To me it didn't look like he pointed the horse at the standard, but rather that the horse started balking MANY strides out and was trying to go to the right from very far back and he was trying to keep him lined up but wasn't succeeding. I think that's why it looks to some like he was directing him at the standard. Do I think it was way too many smacks in the show ring, yes. Do I think it was abuse, no.
                                I'd have to agree on this one...

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                                • #56
                                  Mroades, I never rode at the FEI level but I have jumped many an open water and never felt the need to hammer the horse, EVERY STRIDE, IN A PUBLIC VENUE. Schooling happens at home (or in private) and once again, I will reiterate that it really isn't what a group of horsemen think, it is about PUBLIC PERCEPTION. It NEVER looks good to "beat" a horse in front of an audience. Why have a 'three hit' rule if it has no backbone? Was it abuse? Probably not in the strictest sense (like someone said it cheapens REAL abuse) but it was VERY bad for horse sport in general vis a vis public relations. It looked more like a childish tantrum, because as we all know, it is ALWAYS the horses' fault.....
                                  The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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                                  • #57
                                    Question about the three hit rule: Is it three hits in succession and you're out? Or three hits anywhere on course and you're out? Thanks!

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                                    • #58
                                      If we knew more about the horse, we would have a better feel for what happened. Does anyone here know if this horse has a history of stopping at shows? He wouldn't be the first to figure out the show arena isn't home. Usually only ponies and school horses are that smart, but who knows.

                                      If this horse learns from this, and will now go forward, then maybe it was what was needed-horses good at a job are always better off. If he's no better after this, he needs a different job.

                                      An ugly school by a frustrated rider? Yes, but not abuse-not after some of the stuff we read about here.

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by dags View Post
                                        Exactly what I saw, and you summed it up quite nicely too . This particular test is one that would be very hard to replicate in the schooling ring. Looks like he's probably seen a lot of ribbons go by the wayside because of this particular spook. Heck, he may have even weighed the options - how many months of suspension to (maybe) finally fix the glitch that will eventually be the failure of this horse?

                                        Do you all stop smacking at 3 at home? I'll fess up, there's been times.

                                        There were 12 smacks (in a row) because there were 12 strides between the Impulsion Sucking Corner and the Big Scary Water. He did take great care to take away the "straight" excuse second time around. All smacks aside the reproach was ridden very well, I'm guessing he knew that even the best ride wouldn't cut it.

                                        Should have to suffer the penalty for breaking the rule - and I highly doubt he wasn't already acutely aware of that. We're all better off if no one looks at this and screams ABUSE! There are plenty of other horses truly suffering out there.
                                        yup!

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by lauriep View Post
                                          Too much of a leap here. Too much vs abuse. NOT the same thing. And 3 hits was very arbitrary. It just happened to garner the most votes when the rule was made. It could just have easily been 6 or 10. Don't read too much into it.
                                          So what I am hearing you say is that the rules really don't mean anything?

                                          That they really didn't mean 3 hits when they made the rule? Come on...

                                          I think we can all agree his behavior was inappropriate for the venue. As a professional, he should know better.
                                          Platinum Equestrian - Florida, USA

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