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  • #61
    Probably a wise decision Alterrain

    If you were not all that comfortable with her u/s, that feeling would certainly be magnified o/f.

    Disappointing because opportunities like that don't come around every day.

    I give myself a "heads up" every once in a while by recalling Rodney Jenkins in his video- (paraphrasing)- you have to like the ride, thats 100% the deal.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
      Yes, my hunter is on month 7 of stall rest/ 5 min handwalk twice a day with no end in sight. Looks like he could be retired at age 9

      Yes, more or less, for the last year/ year and a half.

      Whole barn is home this week.

      No, she is great in the ring. I think at home she knows he is trying to "get a bump".

      That's just how he rides jumpers. He is a PHENOMENAL RIDER, both in jumpers and EQ. He got along really well with the mare for a long time, just looks like it finally ran it's course.

      Thanks for all the replies! Will talk it over more w/ Trainer. The only part that makes me nervous is I feel like Trainer is putting pressure on me to take her over rather quickly. Also I am a quite timid rider and am not sure I could get the image of her running out out of my mind. Usually if I fixate on bad images they end up happening A couple other ammies at the barn have bought horses that ended up being too much for them in terms of scope, strength, etc and then got talked into Trainer's hubby showing them in the GP's at their expense, "til they get sold" wink wink. Not saying Trainer knew it wouldn't work out, but it has just happened enough to be suspicious. Just want to make sure this doesn't happen to me!
      that concerns me, a timid rider with a horse that ben tuaght to run out by the previous rider

      matey - you have to send your heart over the jump then go get it if you cant be brave enough to jump between the two wing posts
      then the horse will coton on to that and do the same - run out

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bogie View Post
        It's a very intriguing situation and while it could be a deal of a lifetime, I'd be very, very careful about taking on a horse that's stopped performing and that your trainer is pressuring you to buy.

        First, you need to see if you get along with the horse. If the horse intimidates you, don't buy it because you think the situation will get better.

        Second, spend the bucks to get a thorough PPE so you know it's not a physical problem, of if it is, whether you can afford the maintenance required to keep her comfortable.

        Third, make sure this is a sale and that you get a contract.

        Fourth, bring in a neutral person to evaluate this horse and your ability to ride her. NOT your trainer as she seems to have an agenda of some sort. Pay someone to come in and give you a lesson on the horse and then privately tell you what they think.

        Yes, I've known people who've gotten horses that someone who had more money than sense threw away. But that's rare, especially when a trainer is involved and she might get a commission from the sale. Maybe she wants you to buy the horse so her hubby can ride it and then get a bigger commission?

        I've come across two horses that were too good to be true deals. One was a gelding that had been winning on the A circuit as a junior jumper. I loved this horse. He'd jump anything for me and on a loose rein, to boot. I rode him for the trainer selling him for three months. He *was* a tricky ride. Someone came to try him and he put them in the hospital with a dirty stop, probably because he didn't like how they rode. But when I had him vetted he also had some navicular changes that would probably have impaired his performance sooner rather than later. I cried but passed on him.

        Second horse was bought for a junior rider. Very expensive and very fancy. After a year, he had developed a nasty stop and a big buck. They were literally giving this horse away. I drooled over him. I told my trainer I'd give him six months off and then start him over. She shook her head and told me not to bother. The horse had developed some habits that were going to be very, very difficult to fix. A year later I ran into the person who took him . . . . she was complaining about the big buck and the occasional dirty stop.

        It can work out, but go into the situation with as much information as you can get.

        Good luck!
        agree here

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
          Well, I rode her today. And I don't think (?) it went that well. I do actually have a jumper but he is such a slug and so perfect that I was NOT used to so much motor. She was quite quick over the ground, but not touching the bit (she goes in a rubber snaffle, and VERY round/ btv) and without having the mouth to hold on to I did not feel very comfortable. With my jumper, I can hang onto his mouth all day and he doesn't care one bit. Every time I touched a rein she did a lead change! I did NOT jump her, I did canter some poles and she was ok for those. Trainer said the combination could get better with practice, and that it was a good match physically (she is VERY narrow, and I am very small.) But I just don't think I feel comfortable with her. Trainer also mentioned that they will probably send her back to Europe next week anyway.

          Thanks for all the replies!

          And I DO think that the very wealthy give horses away more frequently than most think. A lot of times they would rather the horse dissapear pronto than be seen at shows being pieced back together by the trainer. If you have to keep seeing the bills, and seeing the horse it's a constant reminder that it went bad. ALSO (in this particular case at least) they want THEIR KID to show the horse. If that can't happen, they don't want it.
          horse needs a rider that can deal with sharp--- its horse is talented but doesnt need a timid rider as i said it wont work,
          horse like this need a confident rider - one that used to competing and can deal with a horse whose light in the mouth - and light in the leg

          this is a second horse not meant for a novice rider - but for a advance rider

          and for a trianer to just dump this horse on just anyone - like yourself is wrong she just thinkin of on going lessons and profit and not really looking at development of the rider nor horse

          in this instance it was a quick offer but not a free horse as the owners are sending ot europe whatever they just want someone to ride it --------

          and have offered it to you - as lets put it this way hope i dont offend you
          you said you was timid timid people are often soft and get walked on or pushed into things they dont really want to do

          gald you said no and stood your ground this horse isnt for you and i knew that from the 1st post you did
          Last edited by goeslikestink; Apr. 10, 2010, 08:10 PM.

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          • #65
            Hunh. Something's not right here. I think you're wise to stay away from it.

            And ... were I you, I'd be considering a change of trainers. It doesn't sound like yours currently has your best interests/goals top of mind.
            Full-time bargain hunter.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by onelanerode View Post
              And ... were I you, I'd be considering a change of trainers. It doesn't sound like yours currently has your best interests/goals top of mind.
              Yup. Red flag.

              And everyone else, if you hear of a sound, free GP horse that needs to come down a level, could you let me know please!?
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              • #67
                Originally posted by onelanerode View Post
                And ... were I you, I'd be considering a change of trainers. It doesn't sound like yours currently has your best interests/goals top of mind.
                Just to play devil's advocate (sort of) on the trainer perspective, I think a BNT would have to be crazy to see an opportunity like that and not advise a rider to go for it like my trainer did with me. Usually those BNTs are BNTs for a reason (and I'm assuming somewhat BNT here if they have a WC horse in the barn)--they tend to push and push and then push some more. Sometimes (maybe even often), they push riders beyond the point they are ready for. That can end up in developing lack of confidence or it can lead to great success. IMO, most if not all BNTs are crooked to some degree and have become a bit (or a lot) corrupted by $$$. Even when the situation is not 100% in the rider's best interest, they may still encourage them to go for it. This happened in my case, and it led to a lot of success, but also some other problems that I had to go back and fix later on. I do not think I would have been as successful if I had switched to another lesser quality trainer who would not have pushed me as hard, and again IMO, most of the best trainers push too hard.

                I am confident Alterrain has her head about her and will come to the best conclusion for her. If only the vision of a perfect trainer was real and did not only exist on a metaphysical plane of existence...

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                  #68
                  I am aware this particular post made my trainer sound a little shady. But aren't they all?

                  But seriously, I have been with her forever, and have no desire to go anywhere else. That said, I am not under the illusion that I am more important to her than 1. $$$ and 2. husband's riding career.

                  Anyway, thanks for all your help. Mare I believe leaves tuesday!
                  When the boogeyman goes to sleep, he checks the closet for George Morris. -mpsbarnmanager

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