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  • #41
    For your purpose I agree with mvp.

    For me, I would take her in a heartbeat and likely without a PPE. But mainly because this is how I've picked up a lot of horses in the past and I have an incredible team around me (farrier, vet, bodywork, etc.) that I believe can fix any fixable physical issue. My current AO Jumper mare was basically the same situation (except in short stirrup hunters ). I bought her for next to nothing and now she's priceless.

    So I'm with the others. If you take her and don't want her you can send her to me any time, sight unseen! Even if the issue is bigger than you've been led to believe.

    My only warning would be to make sure you buy her with a contract. There's nothing worse than an undefined "giveaway" situation where you fix a horse with an issue like that and suddenly the former owner is saying they were just loaning her to you.

    Good luck if you decide to go for it!
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    • #42
      Originally posted by TrotTrotPumpkn View Post
      Even rich people don't give sound, albeit sour horses away. They don't stay rich that way. Shoot, they don't give high performace-level unsound horses away either.
      A friend of mine ended up with a Selle Francais stallion, doing GP dressage, for a dollar. She earned her gold medal on him, and then I ended up with him when she had heart surgery and couldn't ride any more.

      He was/is a VERY talented horse, and came from very well known, wealthy people.

      Stranger things have happened. Just do your homework!
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      • #43
        If you can afford to take care of her and you can ride her at all, take her yesterday. There is absolutely nothing wrong with driving a Ferrari to haul groceries, as long as you can drive it. I will say that not all grand prix horses make great adult ammy jumpers, but that's a whole other topic. Lots of them do.

        I don't find the situation suspicious at all. I think you are in the right place at the right time and you should be flattered that everyone involved thinks that you might be a good fit for this mare under extraordinary circumstances. People give away horses of all price ranges all of the time, generally to people they trust to act in the best interest of the horse.
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        • #44
          you might luck out on a great horse but I see no reason not to be cautious, diligent and get all vet checks and bill of sale etc.. best of luck

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          • #45
            1. PPE. I have a weird feeling that when you try to do the PPE, the owners are going to say, "Well, if you don't want the horse, Jr. would be perfectly happy to hold on to her." or some other remark along those lines. Then you'll be stuck with the even more difficult decision of whether to take the horse, since you have no reason, besides the running out, to suspect she's unsound, but on the other hand don't want to take the burden of another injured horse. Maybe I'm wrong about this, though. I hope I am.

            2. Test ride. You are a self-described timid, hunter rider. GP horses can be hot, hot, hot. Do you want to do jumpers? Are you prepared for a hot horse who runs out?

            3. Bill of sale. You need full ownership of the horse from day one, and her papers. Period.

            4. Set the boundary NOW that trainer's hubby will NOT be showing the horse on your dime. If horse doesn't work out, you will find a suitable home for her, and if trainer helps, she will receive a commission, as usual, and nothing more.

            I think this could be a great opportunity. Proceed with your eyes open and don't let anyone push you in any direction you're not comfortable going. Good luck and please keep us posted!

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Justice View Post
              If you can afford to take care of her and you can ride her at all, take her yesterday. There is absolutely nothing wrong with driving a Ferrari to haul groceries, as long as you can drive it. I will say that not all grand prix horses make great adult ammy jumpers, but that's a whole other topic. Lots of them do.

              I don't find the situation suspicious at all. I think you are in the right place at the right time and you should be flattered that everyone involved thinks that you might be a good fit for this mare under extraordinary circumstances. People give away horses of all price ranges all of the time, generally to people they trust to act in the best interest of the horse.


              I know of someone who got a WC horse because the owner didn't want to go through the hassle of selling, and the horse and rider made such a great team that the owner felt the act was in everyone's best interest anyway.

              As outlandish as it might sound, from the perspective of the very wealthy, in some instances, it is almost cheaper to give a horse away rather than sell it, even when they are seemingly that valuable. Very few will have even remotely clean vet checks, and the difficulty of the horse/lack of talent that keeps them from being at the very top may make them almost impossible to sell. Even when the horse would be better suited at a lower level, the trainer may attempt to continue at the highest level possible for their own interest in showing as well as for the commission/training expenses. For example, instead of selling a 200k+ mare instantly to an enthusiastic breeder for 20k (someone who is an unknown in the equation) where money is not an issue to begin with, it may make more sense to give the horse to someone who is trusted/available to take the horse immediately. Also, at 5k a month in expenses (approximating here and that wouldn't include shows, have no idea what it is in this case) to try and sell the horse for what it is worth, if it takes you a year to sell the horse (which would depreciate value further), then you're losing 60k as opposed to cutting expenses right then and there.

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              • #47
                I think what sets of a yellow light with me is this is a troubled, (possibly hurting and needing vet work) and sour GP horse that trainer wants in the barn and is pressuring OP to take for free and assume all (considerable) costs. Despite the fact she describes herself as a timid Hunter rider with a currently laid up Hunter.

                It's not that nobody ever gives one away...but there are reasons that happens on the giver side. Also reasons they want the person they give it to to have it. Example, a good friend was given an old High Junior gelding and showed him in the Ch/AD for 2 years. But they knew each other for years and my friend was an enthusiatic and experienced Jumper rider. Never surrendered ownership though...and that was a high maintainance horse that ran up big vet bills.

                If OP has an interest in breeding, does not care if she can ride her and can keep this mare, fine. But if trainer is looking for a GP ride and is working this deal so OP pays him for that ride because she is not going to do it??? That may be an ulterior motive.

                Frankly, the mare is used up, needs a break and is, at least on the surface, unsuitable for OP to do much with-least at the moment. So why the push for her to take it and assume all those costs?

                Ask trainer what s/he wants to do with this? Ride it and bill OP? That's what sort of gets me on this. Is there a requirement mare stays in trainer's barn and in training attached to this deal??? Or can OP get a bill of sale and turn this one out for a break somewhere else, like a lay up facility???
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                • #48
                  Ok, ok, I stand corrected! Rich people DO give horses away--just not to me! LOL. Just not the rich people I know (well, except when the horse isn't sound, I should say). I guess my friend got a GP dressage horse for "almost" free (but he had suspensory issues).

                  Seriously though, I have a wierd feeling. Why would the trainer want you to buy it if it isn't suitable (hunter rider/sour GP horse)? Sounds like you are getting it for someone else to ride/train (whether that's your intention or not).

                  I do, however, have acres and acres where I can give this mare time off She can be a trail horse for a year if she wants--no rush. And an excellent chiro/vet and farrier.

                  Keep us posted OP! This is intriguing!
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                    #49
                    Well, I rode her today. And I don't think (?) it went that well. I do actually have a jumper but he is such a slug and so perfect that I was NOT used to so much motor. She was quite quick over the ground, but not touching the bit (she goes in a rubber snaffle, and VERY round/ btv) and without having the mouth to hold on to I did not feel very comfortable. With my jumper, I can hang onto his mouth all day and he doesn't care one bit. Every time I touched a rein she did a lead change! I did NOT jump her, I did canter some poles and she was ok for those. Trainer said the combination could get better with practice, and that it was a good match physically (she is VERY narrow, and I am very small.) But I just don't think I feel comfortable with her. Trainer also mentioned that they will probably send her back to Europe next week anyway.

                    Thanks for all the replies!

                    And I DO think that the very wealthy give horses away more frequently than most think. A lot of times they would rather the horse dissapear pronto than be seen at shows being pieced back together by the trainer. If you have to keep seeing the bills, and seeing the horse it's a constant reminder that it went bad. ALSO (in this particular case at least) they want THEIR KID to show the horse. If that can't happen, they don't want it.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
                      Trainer also mentioned that they will probably send her back to Europe next week anyway.
                      It would be a lot cheaper to send her to Texas. Do you need my address?
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                      • #51
                        If you can get a few more rides in on her, I'd probably try it. But if she's not your kind of ride, she's just not. There is no harm in admitting that. Bargain or not.

                        I'd also be weary of a trainer who knows what your kind of ride is, and tries to talk you into one that is not. If you try this horse a bit more, and know she's not for you and say so and are still getting pressured, I'd wager what you are afraid of (trainer wanting horse to stay in the barn and be shown by the barn at your expense) is likely what's going on in trainers head.

                        If she's not your kind of horse, try not to be tempted. And she does sound tempting.
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                        • #52
                          I don't want this to sound bad to you, but other than that you style is different what makes you think you can get this horse over jumps as a low AA rider if a kid that can do prix's can't?

                          If you can take this horse to a show and she happily jumps around nicely for you, take her.

                          But if the trainer's kid can't ride it why would you want to?


                          Edit: Sounds like they're in a HUGE hurry to get rid of her. Perhaps there's a reason they're ready to unload her to anyone ASAP.
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                          • #53
                            I'd take her. Theres a barn in my area that is notorious for selling "failure" GP horses extremely cheap.. like $3500.. or giving them away bc they wont jump big fences and are "useless" to them. I know several that have made great Level 3/4 jumpers, 3'6" hunters, etc. Some horses arent GP horses, but they're great for other things. And, being a mare, she can always be a broodmare. I'd jump on it.
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                            • #54
                              Dont send her to europe!!!! i will come pick her up tomorrow!!! Just give me an address. Oh and I am not kidding either!!! I have tons of references that I can give them. She will have a forever home with me.


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                              • #55
                                OP, coming from someone who was once in a situation similar to yours (with the exception that the horse definitely was not free), try not to be tempted into a "bad relationship." I ended up with a mare who was worn down from being pounded at WC level and could no longer do it. It was by complete chance that my trainer was standing near the owner when the horse stopped out in a WC class. Owner then turned to my trainer and said that the horse was for sale, and I--by an act of God--had the chance to ride her.

                                I had her on trial, and I was over the moon, but it was clear that it was not a fit. Even so, it was such a dream come true that the papers were signed and she became my mount. My first class with her, she drug me around the arena at a full gallop several times upon completing the course, much to my embarassment. And this was after already having had a ton of success in the eq and jumpers, at times on very complicated horses. I clearly could not ride the porsche.

                                I did learn to ride the porsche, but it took a toll, and the mare was in her last years before retirement. She was an extremely difficult, quirky ride, and as a result I became stiffer and found that I had greater difficulty riding my other horses. After she was retired, I ended up taking a year off of showing just to sort of recover and become more of a rider and less of the passenger I had become while riding her.

                                Would I have redone it and got a horse more suited for me? In my case, probably not. It might have made more sense to get the "mercedes" or even a good Ford to learn on before the porsche as I was just starting out at that level, but then most, if not all talented horses at that level are difficult. I appreciate the lessons she taught me and the opportunities I had with her beyond recognition. I would not go back and change what happened.

                                All in all, I would say think with your head and not your heart. People can say get the PPE, dot your i's and cross your t's, or take her at the very least to turn her around and sell her, etc, but I think I understand the situation you are in, and I hope you can get something from my own situation if you do end up with the opportunity to ride her. It may be a great opportunity for you, or it may lead to frustration and self-doubt as a rider. Just be careful. You seem like a very rational individual. I do wish I had been a bit more rational in my own situation.

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by ontarget View Post
                                  You seem like a very rational individual.
                                  Thanks I try to think of myself as "realistic".
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                                  • #57
                                    Isn't it expensive to send her back to Europe??? Send her here!!

                                    ETA Seriously!!! We'll breed her if we don't end up riding her! Beautiful farm with huuuge pastures!!! I can pick her up tomorrow!
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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
                                      Well, I rode her today. And I don't think (?) it went that well. I do actually have a jumper but he is such a slug and so perfect that I was NOT used to so much motor. She was quite quick over the ground, but not touching the bit (she goes in a rubber snaffle, and VERY round/ btv) and without having the mouth to hold on to I did not feel very comfortable. With my jumper, I can hang onto his mouth all day and he doesn't care one bit. Every time I touched a rein she did a lead change! I did NOT jump her, I did canter some poles and she was ok for those. Trainer said the combination could get better with practice, and that it was a good match physically (she is VERY narrow, and I am very small.) But I just don't think I feel comfortable with her.
                                      No comment about the situation as a whole, but I rode a schoolmaster mare who was hot and opinionated. Flying changes if I wasn't perfectly even. Spent a LONG time learning to ride her. And she taught me more than any horse I've ever ridden...
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                                      • #59
                                        Good you found out as quickley as you did.

                                        Strikes me, if she is going BACK to Europe (to the tune of 6500 or so as a female)??? There may be some kind of lease or partnership deal between somebody over there, the trainer and the kid's parents involved. That might explain some of the proposed deal

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by Alterrain View Post
                                          Trainer also mentioned that they will probably send her back to Europe next week anyway.
                                          It sounds like there is more to the ownership of this mare than you were led to believe.
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