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U.S.A. or Europe for New Jumper Prospect???

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  • U.S.A. or Europe for New Jumper Prospect???

    All things considered, including shipping, exchange rates etc., would you be looking in Europe or here in the U.S. to get the most for your money in a going upper level jumper ( G.P. -
    m1.45 - 1.50+ etc.)????

    Same question re: a young prospect (5-6 yr. old) for upper levels??

    In this economy I have to get the most "cluck for the buck" and am curious if there is a consensus about pricing/value between U.S. versus over the pond?

    Thanks.

  • #2
    I think it would depend on your budget - I would certainly look here and abroad... say if you are willing to spend X amount it doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it suits you, fits your budget etc... there are some wonderful horses here, and in Europe..While there are some exceptional breeders in the US (breeding for jumpers/hunters etc) Europe does have longer established breeding programs so that is one advantage. but again - it's really about what you are looking for and what might suit your budget... I have a friend in Ireland - if you are seriously interested, I'm happy to pass along the info - pm if you want

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    • #3
      Don't discount other areas - I would look at South America as well. I know a friend here that just sold a very nice ammie-proof 1.40 jumper for a *very* fair price to someone.

      I would look at US first, then SA, then Europe.
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      • #4
        I would always look in your proximity first. (Meaning the same order as nycjumper) If you can't find what you are looking for I would expand the search. Shopping is easier here in Europe there is no way around it. But with the added expenses of travelling and transportation it would simply be stupid not to look nearby first.
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        • #5
          I would also contact the breeders depending on your age of interest, they have quite an untapped network built up.
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          • #6
            Look everywhere for sure, a good starting point would perhaps be to kind of spread the word that you are looking and see if you can get some ideas and clips of whats out there, both for here and over there.

            I think that there's some definite advantages with buying a horse in the US. You might have better connections, the horse is here already and maybe even has a little bit of a show record. Whoever you buy the horse from will most likely have to see you around at shows and would meybe be more interested in making sure that the horse doesn't have any serious issues with openwater for example.

            However, the horses that you are looking at may very well have com from Europe not so long ago and they are definitively marked up quite a bit.

            If you decide to shop here, maybe try to look a little extra for american bred rather then fresh of the plane will give you better bang for your buck.

            If you decide to go to Europe, plan your trip and try to get some recommendations for reputable barns to shop at. Get a few lined up, maybe in some different countries. Maybe you know somebody there (need not be horsey) that can help you with travel, accomodations, language etc. Just basic tips, or even just be your guide for a few days.

            It should be fairly easy to get some youtube clips of horses you will see when you get there. Also a lot of the barns over there will have a website in English and if not, try to enlist somebody who can translate and do a rough search for you on a reputable horses for sale site or various barns sites in the countries you are thinking about visiting. This will give you an idea of what is out there and also the price range of the horses you like.
            There might still, even with the weak dollar, be a bit of an american mark up so if you have a trusted local on hand that can call with a price inquiry and then move forward on your behalf might save you a few bucks.

            Finding a few good barns or dealers is not a bad way to go though. If you ask for something specific a good dealer will also scout the area for you and should be able to show you a good lineup of nice horses.
            Another good idea would perhaps be to try to hit at least one country at a time when you can go to a show and watch a 5 or 6 year old final of sorts. A lot of these horses will be for sale and you might find a horse you really like out of the semifinalists that wont be an arm and a leg to buy.

            The horses will certainly be cheaper and yes, we will sell you our best horses too! Plus that going on a Euro trip looking at horses would be a great way to spend the vacation fund (if there is one, LOL).

            Getting the horse over here will probably run you about 7K, but a good shipping service will take care of everything and has all the connections. I normally use Dutta (US side) and he works with Klatte on the german side as well as with my Swedish shippers.

            Worth thinking about is that you will have to spend about 2K more for 2 weeks of CEM quarantine if you decide on a mare.

            Again, ask around for recommendations of good dealers in Europe. Then let them know that you are possibly looking to get a few horses over in the next year or so if things work out with the one you got. That you have customers that might be looking etc and that you would love to establish a relationship with one go to person for all your horse shopping needs etc.
            IMO any kind of dealer US or Europe, horse or car (lol) thinking about the possible longterm revenue will be more interested in scoring you a good deal then if they think this will be the only horse they will ever sell you.

            If you end up looking for something in Sweden, feel free to PM me for the "yeah he's a good guy" or the "I don't know anything about them ;-)" if you want.

            Good luck!
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            • #7
              Yes, I agree, Argentina! A good, going GP jumper here that isn't too hard to ride costs a LOT. There are more to choose from in Europe than here, but after you add in the exchange, the shipping and quarantine, it ends up costing at least the same or more.
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              • #8
                Dont forget to head north too. Quite a few of the GP horses here end up in ammy hands in the USA.

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                • #9
                  I think the answer depends on a lot of factors, many of them identified above.

                  If you have a lot of time to shop and good connections here - it makes sense to see if what you want is available in the US. The downsides to that approach, IMO only, is that frequently you have to do quite a bit of travel to see just a couple of horses, unless you head to somewhere like WEF, but of course there, you will be paying top dollar most of the time.

                  I have found going to Europe allows me to see a LOT of horses in a short period of time, and the prices have been more attractive even when factoring in the shipping and quarantine costs. However, unless you have good contacts there, it is also true that sellers will mark up horses for American buyers. Some people also feel that the Europeans only sell us their "culls" ... that hasn't been my experience, but then I'm buying amateur horses not GP prospects.

                  I haven't shopped in S. America in ages, so can't speak to the market there at the moment, but I do know people who swear that it's a great place to find reasonably priced, high quality horses.

                  Happy shopping.
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