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  • how does this bit work? (waterford butterfly flip)

    hi, just saw an image on a website for bits and i've never seen a bit like this before--- i'm not interested in it, i'm just kind of curious as to how it works cause i can't quite figure it out

    http://www.horsebitbank.com/images/b...ts-feature.jpg

    what are the hooks in the rings for? what are the smaller rings for (on each side) and what does the butterfly piece do?

    thanks
    (|--Sarah--|)

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    I'll second the question. That thing is confusing looking!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by superpony123 View Post
      hi, just saw an image on a website for bits and i've never seen a bit like this before--- i'm not interested in it, i'm just kind of curious as to how it works cause i can't quite figure it out

      http://www.horsebitbank.com/images/b...ts-feature.jpg

      what are the hooks in the rings for? what are the smaller rings for (on each side) and what does the butterfly piece do?

      thanks
      Woah that is strange hahaha no clue!! It looks like maybe a fancy gag but with a strange mouth peice
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      • #4
        its a waterford-tongueplate-baucher...lol
        "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
        carolprudm

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        • #5
          Wow- what a combination- I used this bit while in England riding for Tim Stockdale who has an endless bit collection.

          The butterfly flip bit- keeps the horse from being able to put their tongue over the bit.
          The Waterford mouthpiece- allows the bit to collapse on the horse's tongue and mold to the shape of the mouth. To pro- it's a custom fit, the con- it's constantly on the tongue.
          The bottom ring and boucher top loop- gives the effect of a gag
          The top ring gives the straight boucher effect- like a plain snaffle with a slight poll pressure.

          Hope this helps.
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            #6
            Originally posted by MCarverS View Post
            Wow- what a combination- I used this bit while in England riding for Tim Stockdale who has an endless bit collection.

            The butterfly flip bit- keeps the horse from being able to put their tongue over the bit.
            The Waterford mouthpiece- allows the bit to collapse on the horse's tongue and mold to the shape of the mouth. To pro- it's a custom fit, the con- it's constantly on the tongue.
            The bottom ring and boucher top loop- gives the effect of a gag
            The top ring gives the straight boucher effect- like a plain snaffle with a slight poll pressure.

            Hope this helps.
            interesting! thanks
            (|--Sarah--|)

            Blitz <3 & Leap of Faith <3

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MCarverS View Post
              Wow- what a combination- I used this bit while in England riding for Tim Stockdale who has an endless bit collection.

              The butterfly flip bit- keeps the horse from being able to put their tongue over the bit.
              The Waterford mouthpiece- allows the bit to collapse on the horse's tongue and mold to the shape of the mouth. To pro- it's a custom fit, the con- it's constantly on the tongue.
              The bottom ring and boucher top loop- gives the effect of a gag
              The top ring gives the straight boucher effect- like a plain snaffle with a slight poll pressure.

              Hope this helps.
              well thats what i said...lol
              "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
              carolprudm

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              • #8
                Rotating "butterfly" reminds me of some of the older bits that are designed to prevent the horse from getting its tongue over the bit. The Waterford mouthpiece would prevent leaning on the bit, and the gag cheeks would prevent the horse from lowering its head too much and getting behind the bit, a common problem with Waterfords.

                One stop training, that all takes place in a horse's mouth.

                Ecchhh.
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                • #9
                  When I first saw this bit, it reminded me of something a client used on her horse....we called it "The Home Depot" bridle

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                  • #10
                    I like it's baroque prettiness-- unclosed hooks and all.

                    Quick question: Do the butterfly wings or spoons come off the bit in a flexible way or are the "stems" stiff? If they are stiff, it seems to me that these help produce the gag action-- they hold the bit at a fixed angle in the horse's mouth. This would produce the leverage between hand (or the bottom of the bit) and the poll.

                    I haven't explained it well, but do you see what I mean?

                    I also assume the hooks on the rings aren't closed for aesthetic reasons. They still do the job of keeping the reins at a fixed spot on the rings.

                    I do like the unique combination of flexible bit plus gag. That's funky and may be just the ticket for some horse out there.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ESG View Post

                      One stop training, that all takes place in a horse's mouth.

                      Ecchhh.
                      This is clearly not a bit marketed for use by amateurs. The type of rider that is educated enough to use this bit effectively, I'm sure, would not be aiming for "one stop training that all takes place in the horse's mouth".

                      For what it's worth, I think bitting is an extremely personal science that is different for every horse. While I've never come across a horse that would necessarily benefit from this type of bit, I would assume there are some out there. It's easy to be quick to judge from a picture how severe the action of a bit is or how lazy it is to use it, but without having seen or experienced how a particular horse goes in this type of bit or others, I wouldn't be so quick to put in my two cents.
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                      • #12
                        When I have seen bits with tongue things like that, they rotate 360 degrees around the mouthpiece. Like a bead on a string? Does that make sense?
                        -Grace

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                        • #13
                          Yeah the butterfly flip tongue pusher downer thingie :-) does rotate, so if the horse tries to lift it's tongue, the pusher downer thingie goes with it if that makes sense.
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                          • #14
                            Wow! That's my recommendation for "wide world of weird bits!"
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                            • #15
                              I have a horse that would probably go well in a bit like this. He loves his waterford mouthpiece and it helps with his tendency to lean on the bit and want the rider to support his fore. However over fences he gets strong and needs more than just a simple snaffle for brakes. So instead of having two bits, something like this would allow me to work on both issues in one ride easier than before.

                              He doesn't need the funny butterfly tongue thing though.... that's just funny looking

                              We actually looked at getting him this bit, which has a similar action
                              http://www.dragonflysaddlery.co.uk/l...+Universal+bit
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                              • #16
                                It looks like a decoration! Maybe I should put it on my Christmas tree next year...
                                "It's about the horse and that's it" - George Morris

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                                • #17
                                  Interesting! I have quite the collection of bits and never have seen one like this. Thank you for explaining its use.
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                                  • #18
                                    The website is called Bespoke Bits....maybe it was designed and named for the jumper Butterfly Flip (I think that was Malin Baryard's horse). Or maybe the horse was named after the bit lol...

                                    I understand the Waterford part, the spoon part and the boucher part...I still don't understand what the open hooks inside the bit ring do? Or is that just a decorative embellishment?

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                                    • #19
                                      Ok, very pretty bit, and I understand what people are saying about the mechanics of how it works. But that butterfly part made my gag reflex kick in!
                                      "Beware the hobby that eats."
                                      Benjamin Franklin

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
                                        This is clearly not a bit marketed for use by amateurs.
                                        Umm, I don't see anything that says "for professional use only" on that photo. What's to stop an ammy from buying one?

                                        The type of rider that is educated enough to use this bit effectively, I'm sure, would not be aiming for "one stop training that all takes place in the horse's mouth".
                                        I wouldn't let the type of rider that would use this bit near a horse of mine. A competent rider/trainer not only doesn't need a bit like this, but would run like hell from it.


                                        For what it's worth, I think bitting is an extremely personal science that is different for every horse. While I've never come across a horse that would necessarily benefit from this type of bit, I would assume there are some out there. It's easy to be quick to judge from a picture how severe the action of a bit is or how lazy it is to use it, but without having seen or experienced how a particular horse goes in this type of bit or others, I wouldn't be so quick to put in my two cents.
                                        Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. And sorry, but you can definitely get an accurate idea of how severe a bit will be, from its design. No one looks at a spade bit (which the "butterfly" part of this bit resembles, and functions similarly to), and thinks, "Oh, what a great bit to put on my dressage horse!". Think about it.
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