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  • I would like your opinions! ;)

    Yet another horse 'critique' thread. But I like these threads when people post them, so why not? I am going to see this horse tomorrow. He's in my price range at 12k. I want something to do up to 3'-3'3'' with. Right now with my leased horse I am doing 2'6'' as he's not the easiest ride and I'm a wimp I want something quiet, I like the way he moves, he's big, has a personality- and my loftiest goals are just local A shows, maybe Tampa or Venice. He seems slender, but otherwise perfect for what I want. But- I'm no expert especially not in the bigger shows (ie: anything above a schooling show, ahah), do you think he will be able to hold his own against the 'nicer' warmbloods? I know he definitely needs some work, and I don't think the rider helped much in presenting him perfectly. I noticed he swapped leads one stride in front of the fence, and he is kind of sloppy over the smaller fences, loose-kneed. Maybe he needs some gymnastics or has been jumping 2' for too long.

    Anyways, watch the video, let me know what you think of him, oh- he also has a hideous brand that I hope is clipped during the picture taking and video session here. I really don't like it!

    Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp3QERoZ3ac

    Thanks so much!

    ETA: Here is another link to him jumping 3'. Read the caption, it mentions something about his weight. I think he jumped pretty nicely for something that was out of shape.. http://www.youtube.com/user/sandcayp.../0/wIjR5txrd4M
    Last edited by Catomine; Feb. 25, 2010, 04:31 AM.
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    If you are looking for something quiet then he certainly looks very quiet and slow. I'm used to whizzing about, speedy horses so he actually looks painfully slow to me.

    Those jumps look more like 2'6" (max) than 3'3" so they don't really show what he would be capable of.

    The brand looks like they have clipped it - it won't look so silly once the hair has grown back so I wouldn't worry about that.

    Anyway, horses for courses, if you like him and get along with him when you try him then that's all that matters

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    • #3
      not my type....but probably useful
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      • #4
        I never post here, but I too love these type threads!
        I'd like to think for the price you could find something nicer, and that at 10 has been showing(it doesn't say he has or hasn't). Conformationally cute face, looks weak loin. Weird tail carriage, and maybe to much action for hunters.
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        • #5
          Do you need a 17HH horse? It's a long way to the ground! Also, he has a kind of "bump" in the croup area that I'm not used to seeing. Just my opinion, but I'd never pay anywhere near $12,000 for this horse.
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          • #6
            The horse is cute and seems like a good boy, but I would not likely pay $12 000 for him.

            I think you could probably find something better in the same price range.
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            • #7
              OK, here is another one I don't dislike. Actually alot to like here on a budget. BUT...OP wants to move up to 3'-3'3" at decent shows and I don't see it here.

              OP asks if this one could hold his own against WBs at a USEF A rated at 3'-3'3"? Nope. Not against TBs or other appendix QHs competent at that level either. Local at 2'6"? I'd go look if that is what my goals were. He is quiet and knows a ton including changes...certainly does not need a sophisticated ride and I'll leave that there.

              Not dissing the sellers here or this horse. He is well and fairly presented. See no issue with weight, he is just the lanky kind of appendix you often see and they do include honest conformation shots I wish more would include.

              But he is 10. Maybe to them at the shows they do he has a big stride. I don't see it. He does not track up at all at walk and trot (step at least into the hoofprint). His back end conformation and angles say he cannot-that straight hip and set back hock are why he does not track up, he can't. That will always limit step and ability to push off and go round over bigger jumps.

              The jump round at 3' is what we would call a very friendly 3'. No real spreads (3' oxers are 3' wide too and more then a few rails on 2 sets of standards), no stuffing or filler to really get him to work to get over and no real solid faux wall or roll top that actually tops at 3' (the solid part, not a rail 6" over the top). He is pretty resistent in the bridle at this height, obviously uncomfortable. He is slooooow into his lead changes instead of flowing forward, indication he really has to open up to get over then has to slow way down to balance, again consistent with a shorter step.

              Anyway...think this one is what he is in the first video at an also friendly 2'6" and is about topped out there. If that is what you want, go take a look.

              Catomine, can you look at some videos of the WEF Classic or something? Just go on Youtube and watch Hunter rounds? Don't come back with a link and ask us what we think. Just watch about 100 of them. These things sort themselves out if you watch enough.

              Just remember that you may not be in the market for a 250k WEF winner BUT there is no reason you can't get as much of what makes that one a winner in a lower cost horse as you can. You don't need the big jump and fancy movement-you need the underlying structure to create it. Some flaws you can live with but, if it ain't there? Not going to be able to do it.
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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              • #8
                If the horse has show milage is quiet and easy to ride and is sound, why wouldn't 12K be a good price for the horse?

                I didn't like the rider on this horse, lost of bouncing around and leaning this way or that and sort of causing the horse to do weird things with it's body.

                Are there a lot of 12K horses out on the market that are way better than this? I'm not being contentious, I'm just curious.

                I am commenting only on the second video. The first one I'm just now watching.

                Okay, I watched the 1st video and the horse looks like a saint. He doesn't care about the ride he's getting where the jockey has her hands up to her hips, standing in the stirrups 2 strides out from the jumps, he just keeps trucking around.

                If you're looking for a horse to learn on, he looks like he'd be a good one!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
                  Are there a lot of 12K horses out on the market that are way better than this? I'm not being contentious, I'm just curious.
                  I think, right now, there are...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Catomine View Post
                    I noticed he swapped leads one stride in front of the fence, and he is kind of sloppy over the smaller fences, loose-kneed.
                    I think the swapped leads has to do with the riders, both of them, leaning left and right and throwing him off balance. Some horses don't care about this but most do and will swap when there is so much going on in the tack.

                    I think the quality of canter that is being generated has much to do with the quality of the jump coming out of this horse.

                    The pointy butt might be an issue.... might just be fitness and weight or it might be something more serious like a pevlic injury.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
                      If the horse has show milage is quiet and easy to ride and is sound, why wouldn't 12K be a good price for the horse?

                      I didn't like the rider on this horse, lost of bouncing around and leaning this way or that and sort of causing the horse to do weird things with it's body.

                      Are there a lot of 12K horses out on the market that are way better than this? I'm not being contentious, I'm just curious.

                      I am commenting only on the second video. The first one I'm just now watching.

                      Okay, I watched the 1st video and the horse looks like a saint. He doesn't care about the ride he's getting where the jockey has her hands up to her hips, standing in the stirrups 2 strides out from the jumps, he just keeps trucking around.

                      If you're looking for a horse to learn on, he looks like he'd be a good one!
                      agree, yes, 200%

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                      • #12
                        JMO but I don't think you can get the kind of training this horse looks to have, and the mileage, and the ability to tolerate that kind of a ride in a horse with the step and ability to go A at 3' for 12k.

                        This one, you are paying for a whole lot of training, attitude and safety. If that is your primary goal and you are happy around 2'6", he is worth a look. Kind of a nice school horse type.

                        If your primary goal is more...you may have to compromise somewhere and the more likely place would be experience-that you can give them. you can't change the physical limits.

                        Again, JMO but you MIGHT be able to find something in the 15-17k that has the training and the physical package to be half way competitive at 3', just lacks the miles or is not fancy.
                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                        • #13
                          I think he has potential. He seems extremely quiet and can take a joke. So, I like that part. I like the video of him in his stall, he seems like a good citizen.

                          The things I don't like are mostly things that can be fixed. He just seems kind of big and gangly to me. When he goes around he almost looks ewe necked. I wonder how he would look with 3 months of hill work & really riding him from back to front. I'm not crazy about the way he moves now but with a more muscly topline that might improve.

                          I dislike his tailset, and he swishes a lot which draws attention to it.

                          Overall though I like him...just probably not at $12k as he still seems like a project to me (and IMO green-ish AQHA/appendix do not command the same price as the WB's). I guess it just comes down to how much you are willing to spend on a project.
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                          • #14
                            Horse has no clue what his hind end is supposed to do. he's painfully on the forehand to the point in the first video I thought he was going to fall over!
                            I think that's why he looks blah over and to the jumps. if he was taken back to square one, taught to rock back, flex his joints and move from his engine, there'd be a nice horse in there.
                            at this stage of his game I'd say he's worth $3k, without looking at a pedigree.
                            that said that lower back on him is troublesome.
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                            • #15
                              3K? Really?


                              I must be completely out of touch with reality!!!

                              I better start shopping for horses under saddle a little more earnestly so I can compare how my horses are priced!
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
                                3K? Really?


                                I must be completely out of touch with reality!!!

                                I better start shopping for horses under saddle a little more earnestly so I can compare how my horses are priced!
                                I agree $3k is way too low. I was thinking more like $8k-$10k.
                                Originally posted by barka.lounger
                                u get big old crop and bust that nags ass the next time it even slow down.

                                we see u in gp ring in no time.

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                                • #17
                                  The part of this horse that is worth $12,000 is not his looks, his movement, or his jump. It's that darned amazing brain he's got. Wow, what a tolerant horse.

                                  OP, think about whether you really need a 3' horse. Because a legit 3' horse to show at the As is going to be a lot more than 12k if it has anything NEAR the brain this horse has. And since you are a rider who self-describes as nervous, I would buy a brain and training instead of looks. He's cute and perfectly serviceable as a 2'6 and maybe 2'9 horse. That may be all you really need. Plus, I think you would have a lot of fun on him, and be able to get back the confidence your previous horse is taking from you. That alone is worth his price tag.

                                  That said, if you like him I would offer 10k or maybe even a little less. It never hurts to ask. Do a good vet check to see if there's any hind end problem.

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                                  • #18
                                    I like him. He looks willing, safe, he has a lead change, it doesn't look like 3' is a problem. 12k doesn't sound unreasonable to me. I expect good solid flatwork over a few months would improve the quality of his movement.

                                    Personally, I would take this guy and his nice outlook on life over the fancier horse that needs an attitude adjustment. If I'd seen this guy two years ago you might have some competition for him Good luck.
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                                    • #19
                                      I'm not a huge fan. What concerns me:

                                      1. He looks built VERY downhill.

                                      2. Feet look tiny compared to his size

                                      3. He's skinny (part of the reason for that bump on his back). What's he going to be like when he's fed.

                                      4. Ewe necked... I'm would bet he carries himself that way to balance out the downhill build. You can change some of this, but it will always be his tendency. Why not find something built better so you're not constantly fighting?

                                      5. 17h. Unless absolutely necessary, I avoid taller horses. IMO, they just aren't as sound. Most people don't need a 17h...especially one as narrow as this. A shorter, rounder horse would take up as much or more leg.

                                      6. Price. He look like a $6-7k horse to me...in this market.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

                                        OP, think about whether you really need a 3' horse... And since you are a rider who self-describes as nervous, I would buy a brain and training instead of looks. He's cute and perfectly serviceable as a 2'6 and maybe 2'9 horse. That may be all you really need. Plus, I think you would have a lot of fun on him, and be able to get back the confidence your previous horse is taking from you. That alone is worth his price tag.

                                        That is precisely what I was thinking. Is OP sure she wants to "buy up" to a USEF quality A level 3'/3'3"er on the chance she MAY get there? Or go for something like this that can get over but is better lower and best shown more locally? They do have 2'6" now at many, many big USEF A circuits. Just as much fun and it is the same size and color ribbon with the same logo.

                                        Now, this guy, IMO, is 10 (probably 11 this year), and has obviously been doing what he does for years. I don't see some start over project that is going to radically change and miraculously become a 3'3" A show circuit quality horse.
                                        And why should he? He is fine for what he is and what he knows.

                                        He may be fine for the OP too. She needs to decide that one. I'd think about that seriously-narrow that goal down a little instead of the broad safe and sane confidenc builder right now with an eye for the USEF AAs at 3'3" in the future-for 15k or under.

                                        I guess what would be a better way to put this is do you want to get on and ride what you see in these videos? I'd ride this one in a heartbeat.

                                        Not saying run out and buy it but there are others just like this one in this price range a nickle short of major AA competition but ready to go ride now and be competitive at the other 95% of the shows out there.
                                        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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