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    This past weekend at a show they combined the Short Stirrup and the Long Stirrup divisions. I do not understand why they combined them when both divisions would of filled independently. The rule book states, "May be combined if fewer then three entries." There was NOT fewer than three entries in either division. I guess I just do not feel this is fair from the points side of things. If the SS rider was third behind two LS riders, chances are they would of placed higher in a SS only division therefore earning more points towards year end. Any insight for me? I am really a bit peeved about the whole situation.

  • #2
    Is it normal to combine classes even if both divisions would fill?


    • #3
      That is sort of strange they combined the 2 divisions if the prize list had them listed as seperate divisions & each one had 3 riders complete each class. Are you sure that enough riders completed the classes? I know sometimes on the local unrated circuit when we've had only a couple in the divisions, they have fallen off or refused out so then the child & adult divisions had to be combined in order for points to count.

      Did you question the steward or show manager why this was being done?
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      • #4
        I have never seen classes combined when BOTH would have filled if run separately, but have had MANY shows where one or the other didn't fill, and thus were combined. In our area, it happens a lot in my division (adult eq) and let me tell you, riding against those good juniors doesn't usually end well for us adults, LOL!

        You can always ask the secretary about it, but my guess is that one of the divisions actually didn't have three riders - it happens a lot, and unfortunately from a points perspective, your illustration is accurate. The third placed rider will not get as many points as they might have in a separate division. Just how it goes.
        We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.


        • #5
          If she's the first Short Stirrup rider to place then she still leads the pack for Short Stirrup riders. While the points may be numerically less, they are for everyone else also, and so the scale remains fair.

          This is why I have issues with Year End Points for the baby divisions. What I would have expressed to the kid is - "Look how great you did against all the older kids! That's awesome!" Not - "well, if the competition had been stacked appropriately you would have won", which leaves them with the impression that anything but a win is less than appreciable.
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          • #6
            Usually there is a statement somewhere in the prizelist that says something to the effect of: "management reserves the right to combine or cancel classes at any time". They do tend to do this more with the small unrated classes more than the bigger divisions and its usually a time issue. I have seen a lot of shows combine short and long if they don't have 6 riders in each just to save some time. I have also seen shows where there were so many entries they closed the class and several didn't get to show (very sad for some of the short stirrup kids). It stinks but it happens!


            • #7
              OK, I deal with this issue sometimes at shows and this is why a divisions like this with 3 or 4 entries entries might be combined...and why the prize list usually states "will be split of entries warrant" or "may be combined if entries warrant".

              Say you got a 1 day show with 2 O/F and an U/S that are required for year end points to count as well as award a Champion and Reserve. 3 entrants must complete each O/F course and do the U/S or it falls below minimum and will not count for points or award a Champion.

              Short Stirrup has 4 entries.
              Polly Pudgy Pony stops twice and runs around another.
              Carly Cutie falls off.
              Only 2 complete the course and scrubs the whole division pointwise.

              Long Stirrup has 3 entries and Molly Mom goes off course.
              Same result, no points for the division, no Championship, no Reserve.

              Even if you have 3 over fences, you have to get 3 people to complete 2 of those courses-all it takes is a fall, an off course,or even a horse losing a shoe and you got nothing for your exhibitors division wise.

              Most of the time, shows like to get at least 4 and, preferably, 5 in each division to split to ensure enough get around with a little margin to account for those that don't.

              Oh, and points? Go to the riders usual division based on total numer in combined class-with the advantage of a 6-8 horse class instead of 3 hence possibly more points

              Make sense?
              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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              • #8
                If I was a betting girl, my money would have been on the short stirrup kids to beat the adults!


                • #9
                  Totally, but I believe Long Stirrup is still under 18. The adults get the grandly dignifying title "Rusty Stirrup"
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dags View Post
                    This is why I have issues with Year End Points for the baby divisions. What I would have expressed to the kid is - "Look how great you did against all the older kids! That's awesome!" Not - "well, if the competition had been stacked appropriately you would have won", which leaves them with the impression that anything but a win is less than appreciable.

                    Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                    Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dags View Post
                      Totally, but I believe Long Stirrup is still under 18. The adults get the grandly dignifying title "Rusty Stirrup"
                      Many shows in the West, PNW and Rockies have long stirrup. Langer uses Rusty Stirrup for over 18 which must make some 18 years old beginner feel great


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dags View Post
                        Totally, but I believe Long Stirrup is still under 18. The adults get the grandly dignifying title "Rusty Stirrup"
                        Around here the Long Stirrups classes tend to feature those who are long in the teeth too.


                        • #13
                          Thanks everyone. I guess I understand a little better, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Findeight- I think you hit the nail on the head. There were only three SS riders maybe they needed "insurance" the points would count.