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  • Help with a 'rushy' horse

    I just need some exercies that can help with this. My mare has a tendency to be rush towards fences and inbetween fences. She does this over big fences as well as poles. I have set up poles with four strides inbetween each fence. Mare can make this in three stries. I have no idea what to do. It's kind of terrifying heh.

    Mare has a slow twist dring. No saddle problems. No health problems. Teeth just done. I try to ride as quite as possible. I literally, take my leg off of her (sometimes) just to see what happens...

    So, what say you? I can give more info if needed!

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    If I have a rushy horse, I got back to the beginning. trot poles to an x and whoa. Then we do trot poles to an x whoa, pick up trot to next trot poles and x and then whoa. She could be nervous about jumping. How long have you had her and did she always have a tendency to rush or did she just start? How high are you jumping?
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    • #3
      horses that make big bids to jumps can definitely be annoying. to really try and change the situation, one typically needs to go back to basics and work back up...which can also be annoying because it just isn't much fun jumping cross rails for 2 months.

      that said, one thing that can help is to do a figure of 8 in front of a jump. don't trick the horse by riding straight at a jump and turning at the last second, but just do some clearly defined circles in front of the jump and only jump once the horse stops making a bid.

      also, be sure to never retard the horses jump in an effort to control them. stopping quickly after a jump can be a beneficial exercise, but holding on to them over the fence is just going to make them jump poorly.

      good luck and try to be patient, even if it is boring

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      • #4
        While riding for Tim Stockdale I've learend what he does with his young horses that tend to rush, or haven't established a good jumping rhythm. He puts his horses through gymnastics with placement poles in between the 1 strides. They aid the horse in establishing a rhythm in between the fences as well as giving them something to look at on the landing to back the off. Also, you can use V poles on the last element of the gymnastic to back them off as well.

        Start out with several placement poles and slowly start taking them away, in my experience you'll find that the horse's rhythm is much more relaxed as you continue and go through, even without the poles.
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        • #5
          Don't take off your leg! Get her used to the leg. Practice what Carver said. If you have 4 strides in between, then put 4 poles down. So 6 in total. That way she will be less likely to run. Also, circle until calm, then go over the fence.
          Lots of calm repetitions is the only solution.

          Does she get strong as well?

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          • #6
            Here's an exercise GM had one of his horsemastership students do for a horse that rushes.

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            • #7
              Mine is also a rusher. Had her going like a litttle hunter, leased her out (due to school) and got her back with her rushing again. Circling beofre the fence until she is calm and the pole - jump - pole exercise worked great for slowing down to the fences. Now I just have to work on after and in-between, specially lines (gymnastics slows her down, but are hard to set up in the indoor) Anyone have any good ideas for that?

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                Originally posted by ZIL View Post
                Here's an exercise GM had one of his horsemastership students do for a horse that rushes.
                Best to do that exercise under the supervision of your trainer. Pulling up in front of the fences works as long as you don't pull back in front of the fences you do want to jump. I've seen far too many people who start to pull back into every fence. Those are the ones who end up with horses that are confused about jumping and start to stop.

                Since rushing can be symptom of anxiety, I usually go back to gymnastics that force/allow the horse to be in a rhythm but which allows me to stay out of their face. As someone else posted, you don't want to restrict the jumping effort.

                I have a TB that can flatten and run at fences. I try to make jumping very hum drum and non stressful for him. I sneak a few gymnastics into flat work outs . . . trot over x-country fences when we're out hacking, etc. Making jumping low key and routine has seemed to help him.
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                  Thanks for the replies everyone. Mare has been like this since I bought her, five years ago! We stopped doing jumping and went to dressage and I've recently started jumping her again. Old trainer had us doing 4ft plus courses - yes stupid, stupid trainer. It was terrifying!

                  Right now, I have gone to the basics. I have not jumped more than 18inches on her in Quite a while.

                  She has a tendancy to get a bit strong. It's weird what she does. She stays nice and round, pops her head a bit and then power house's it to the fence. I am not sitting there jerking on her mouth constantly. What it seems like she is doing is just lenghthening her stride (the wrong way lol).

                  I think it is def. a confidence issue. I don't know why. In Europe the entered her in 1.5 M competitions and she did well. In the video of her 5 years ago, she doesn't seem to be 'naughty'. However, it was a male riding and I do not know what kind of bit she had in her mouth.

                  I am more than willing to contine with the small fences =) I'm a little timid when it comes to jumping anyway, so the more work I get over smaller fences, the better!

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                  • #10
                    A few thoughts... no big jumps for a while. Nothing over 18'' for a few months if possible. Put out some poles, xrails, etc around the ring. Hack for a few days without going over any poles, jumps, etc. Just have everything in the ring. Then start working the poles, xrails, small verticals into your flat work. NEVER take back in the air or immediately upon landing. You can steady to the jump and a stride after, but you must allow over the fence. Always have leg on your horse. Taking leg off is not good. Leg pressure should not mean "GO" all the time. It means reach for my hand, move over, etc at times. Always have leg on your horse. When you're going back to course work, set up some grids. Make the jumps slow your horse down. I'm not talking about 4-5 jumps in a row. Use lots of poles in front and behind the jumps. Let those slow your horse down. Progress from there.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by crazyhorses View Post
                      Thanks for the replies everyone. Mare has been like this since I bought her, five years ago! We stopped doing jumping and went to dressage and I've recently started jumping her again. Old trainer had us doing 4ft plus courses - yes stupid, stupid trainer. It was terrifying!

                      Right now, I have gone to the basics. I have not jumped more than 18inches on her in Quite a while.

                      She has a tendancy to get a bit strong. It's weird what she does. She stays nice and round, pops her head a bit and then power house's it to the fence. I am not sitting there jerking on her mouth constantly. What it seems like she is doing is just lenghthening her stride (the wrong way lol).

                      I think it is def. a confidence issue. I don't know why. In Europe the entered her in 1.5 M competitions and she did well. In the video of her 5 years ago, she doesn't seem to be 'naughty'. However, it was a male riding and I do not know what kind of bit she had in her mouth.

                      I am more than willing to contine with the small fences =) I'm a little timid when it comes to jumping anyway, so the more work I get over smaller fences, the better!
                      Ah, typical Europeans. Are you sure it was 1.5m? That is 5 feet. Nice horse you have then.

                      What often happens with those horses is that they are used to be held up in front with a rather sharp bit. Then, when someone rides her who does not sit, sit, sit and holds, the horse loses all confidence. I think the last poster has some good advice for you. Also, gridwork will be your friend.
                      From your post it seems this is a confidence issue. Horse feels insecure because you don't provide the 100 pounds it needs to lean on and starts running the fences.
                      My advice would be to incorporate small jumps during your flatwork and just repeat and repeat. And sit, sit, sit. But try to stay light in front. Think you are McLain Ward.

                      Good luck, you describe something that is not very easy to fix.

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                      • #12
                        Add this to your work over poles

                        Teach her to stop over a pole-- one set of legs on either side.

                        Being with walking and do what you need to in order to be accurate. When she's there, stop and wait. Hang out until she takes a deep breath. Drop the reins and chill for a bit. Do that again until it takes less to stop her. Then repeat at higher gaits.

                        It doesn't matter if you must drop down from the canter through the trot to the walk before the pole in order to get the stop you want.

                        This exercise does wonders for man and beast. It will make you accurate and let you ride with aids that are more and more subtle once she knows that you will stop over the pole. She will learn that an obstacle means "wait" and also a gentle ride.

                        When you feel her rock back as she prepares to stop, allow her to keep going over the pole. At the point, she has a very different experience of being ridden to an obstacle. The pressure of getting there and over it is not compounded by an anxiety-producing ride.

                        It can help to alternate stopping and going over poles, or alternating poles with low fences in a course. She should learn that fences mean different things and that she must wait for you to let her know what you want.

                        And certainly put your leg back on her while doing this. She needs to accept that aid. You may find that you need it in order to get that butt-lowering, accurate stop over the pole.
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                        • #13
                          Two other exercises I came across are:

                          1. Shoulder-fore or shoulder-in towards the fence. That way you keep her off your inside rein and it will be harder to run.

                          2. Put a jump about 30 feet off the rail. Then leg yield toward the jump, jump, and leg yield back to the rail after the jump.

                          They should help.

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                            Ok so I tried the poles inbetween the fences. It worked pretty well. She still tried to make one stride in a bounce, but in the end, she was listening very well and didn't cause me too much problem. =)

                            Clarence - you bring up a very interseting point! I hardly ever ride like that. I ride in the more hunter form. I shall try Mclain Ward! haha. It's hard because I have a tendancy to ride very lightly and not rip on their mouths, ya know? In the video, the had mare BHV and she popped a little...

                            I'll keep working over grids and poles and stuff. I am more than willing to continue working until she understands this. I know she was trained differently and there are somethings that i wont be able to 'untrain' but there are a few I would like to tweak

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                              Also, that leg yeilding exercise sounds Very interesting! I'll give it a shot!

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by crazyhorses View Post
                                Ok so I tried the poles inbetween the fences. It worked pretty well. She still tried to make one stride in a bounce, but in the end, she was listening very well and didn't cause me too much problem. =)
                                That's great news! Keep the good work up!
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                                • #17
                                  The poles work great as it requires the horse to do the thinking without the rider pulling on their mouth. Unless the horse has a death wish, most fiqure out the exercise. My daughter went to a clinic where the clinician laid out nine poles 9' apart. The horses were asked to canter through the poles which were a set as a bounce. He then raised four to crossrails with a pole 9' in front and after. He then raised to a small verticle. As the fences get higher you will have to roll the poles out some, but it is a great exercise. Really makes the horses focus on the job at hand. If they rushed they knocked the poles. It made the horse responsible for their own pace and rhythm.

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                                  • #18
                                    One of mine tends to get a little over-forward towards fences.. we do a lot of circles in front of and in between fences, and halting after lines. We also do a lot of collected work to get her off her forehand so she cant "take the bit and run" towards the fences.
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                                    • #19
                                      [QUOTE=Clarence;4675393]
                                      1. Shoulder-fore or shoulder-in towards the fence. That way you keep her off your inside rein and it will be harder to run.

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                                      This is very effective. Its extremely hard for them to dive forward if their shoulders or haunches are on a different track.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by crazyhorses View Post

                                        Clarence - you bring up a very interseting point! I hardly ever ride like that. I ride in the more hunter form. I shall try Mclain Ward! haha. It's hard because I have a tendancy to ride very lightly and not rip on their mouths, ya know? In the video, the had mare BHV and she popped a little...

                                        I'll keep working over grids and poles and stuff. I am more than willing to continue working until she understands this. I know she was trained differently and there are somethings that i wont be able to 'untrain' but there are a few I would like to tweak
                                        Yeah, just give it time and keep working on it. A horse like yours needs her hindlegs to keep coming from behind under her. Otherwise she becomes insecure starts leaning and then rushing.

                                        About the leg-yield: What you can add is a stop when you are back at the rail after the fence and then do a Turn on the haunches or Turn on the forehand. They should help as well in getting to her hindlegs.

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