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  • #1

    Can someone

    please post pictures of correct form for the rider for hunter over fences?

    Thanks.
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    There is none. Hunter classes are judged on the horse. Therefore, the correct rider position in a hunter over fences class is the position which helps the horse move and jump his best.

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      #3
      Okay, thanks...then can someone post a picture of correct form for the rider going over the jump. I just want to know what I'm supposed to be looking for to look good going over jumps!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by joiedevie99 View Post
        There is none. Hunter classes are judged on the horse. Therefore, the correct rider position in a hunter over fences class is the position which helps the horse move and jump his best.

        Weellllllll.....I have to disagree with this- a sloppy rider can be very distracting to the judge and take away from the horse's performance......

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        • #5
          While the Previous poster is correct, hunter classes evaluate the horses performance, and the job of the jockey is to help the horse perform its best, the answer is not wholly comprehensive.

          There are certainly general concepts that enable a horse to perform its best over a fence....ergo, equitation.

          And while equitation may not necessarily dictate exact form of a rider over a fence it certainly does dictate forms that are incorrect and inhibit a horses ability over a fence, and by extension parameters for proper rider form.

          I think that while riders in the jumper division are given more "creative license", as are eventing riders, concerning rider form, I believe that the "most" correct riders, or those that exemplify proper form are best represented by these two disciplines. Perhaps because of the consequences associated with performing at the level and under the circumstances required of these disciplines.

          Beezie Madden exemplifies correct form over a fence and between the fences. She is always in constant balance with her horse, which is really what enables a horse to perform its best, and is the fundamental concept of equitation.

          http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/ygoh8.../Beezie+Madden


          Many Hunter riders get away with incorrect form or bad equitation, because as stated, the horse is judged, but of more impact is the fact that Hunter classes are not big fence classes, and the obstacles are not solid, there are few consequences, outside of a bad round, for laying on a horses neck, stiffing a horse over a fence or being a bobble head. If there were more consequences you would certainly see better rider form in the Hunter rings.

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            #6
            Anyone got any other pictures? She looks really good!

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            • #7
              Get a copy of Jane Marshall Dillon's Form Over Fences, lots of great examples of proper jumping form of the rider. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/use...g&wid=32811896

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              • #8
                Trying to imitate correct position, and actually riding with correct position are two very different things (IMO).

                This is a good question for your trainer to answer.

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                • Original Poster
                  #9
                  I don't currently have a trainer...hence the question. Besides, the barn that I came from had several trainers and they all had different ideas on what looked good and what didn't. Maybe that's why I'm asking on my own...come to think of it!!!

                  Not really sure why it even matters as around here, it's all political (who you know etc, etc)!

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                  • #10
                    I find that gymnastics has helped my position tremendously over the years because you get the repetition factor and you don't have to worry too much about the horse.

                    http://sakurahillfarm.com/photos/photo122.jpg

                    http://sakurahillfarm.com/photos/lead121.JPG

                    http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._3288937_n.jpg

                    Although, since I've been riding in Europe, I've been told time and time again, I over close in a very American style!
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                    • #11
                      I would focus on riding correctly. If you could post pictures for us to critique, we might be able to be more constructive. A rider like MCarverS has gotten a good position through lots of practice under an educated eye, not through imitation. Putting yourself in a position is different than being put in a position. the way to get a good position on horseback is to ride correctly and have a solid foundation and then not move, but rather let the horse's movement to put you where you are, within the limits of maintaing a basically correct form. If that makes sense.

                      I know, from personal experience, that looking at pictures of people jumping big fences is not the way to get a good position. It will probably do more harm than good. Obviously you aren't jumping very big fences, so your position will not look, or feel like it looks like, MCarverS or Beezie Madden. You need to focus on sinking into your heel, lightening your seat, and not doing anything else.
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                        Originally posted by Beau Cheval View Post
                        I would focus on riding correctly. If you could post pictures for us to critique, we might be able to be more constructive. A rider like MCarverS has gotten a good position through lots of practice under an educated eye, not through imitation. Putting yourself in a position is different than being put in a position. the way to get a good position on horseback is to ride correctly and have a solid foundation and then not move, but rather let the horse's movement to put you where you are, within the limits of maintaing a basically correct form. If that makes sense.

                        I know, from personal experience, that looking at pictures of people jumping big fences is not the way to get a good position. It will probably do more harm than good. Obviously you aren't jumping very big fences, so your position will not look, or feel like it looks like, MCarverS or Beezie Madden. You need to focus on sinking into your heel, lightening your seat, and not doing anything else.
                        This is good advice. Form follows function, so as Beau Cheval states the horses motion is what puts you in position.

                        However I believe that good riders, regardless of fence size tend to keep the same basic form, simply because it is most effective.

                        My form is not any different if I am jumping a 3" fence or a 5'6" fence, because my job over a fence is to allow the horse to do his/her job, and to stay out of the way, almost always, and any deviation will be to ensure I stay out of the way, IE: giving the horse as much freedom as I an through my reins, or to alter direction, IE: giving the heads up that we need to turn as soon as we land, through an open rein or something of that nature.

                        If you notice in the picture of Beezie, Authentic is just passing the middle of his jump and just starting his descent, and Beezie's position is closed about 10 degree's more than it would have been cantering to the fence. An excellent example, for illustration sake, of doing nothing over the fence. It is the jump of the horse that has created the illusion that her position has changed, when in reality her position has probably changed no more than 10 degrees either way at any point during the jump.

                        As I stated before it is all about balance, and that of course starts on the ground.

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