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    I know Lynn personally and know for a fact that she does not cheat or use false rules. Her footing in her arena is comftorable for all the animals on her farm and for all the riders. Some people may complain about the down hill slope but I say that everyone that has made a big deal about her farm and about the sloping terrian is a beginner themselves.

    Anyway, everybody that attends to Hollow Oak Farm shows is totally contented and all the children are helping out with the ribbons and showing. In all my experience I have never, once seen a child running arould uncontrollably.

    Even if there was something there that I missed you should all know that that(Lynn's 6 year old) child has been through just as much as anybody else has. All of you that have bad mouthed HOF should be ashamed.
    That is all I must say about this.
    Last edited by CuteMiniHorse; Jun. 28, 2007, 09:27 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Anyplace Farm;2526580]I've heard some nightmares about their following VHSA rules. My friend (BrydelleFarm) is judging there soon so I'm sure that'll be a wake up call when it comes to folks trying to bend the rules or those who want to make them up as they go along.

    Ladies and Gentlemen

    As a long time friend and professional colleague of Lynn's (Secret Interlude) I can say she always works hard to please the wonderful riders that make up this sport as well as the NOT so wonderful ones. For those of you who "Don't remember " Anyplace Farm's comment about the rules of VHSA please refer to the quote above. Any doubts, re-read her original posting. Ms. Sadler has worked very hard to listen to (and believe me I have witnessed this) the most Ridiculous complaints and to improve on the facility. I rode there myself this week and brought students along with green horses, as she is even accommodating to the point of opening her facility to any potential exhibitor to school, so long as the disclaimer forms are correctly filled out. what's more, NO FEES TO SCHOOL!!! The most experienced horse? a 6 year old. We even brought one that's in for starting, only 30 days undersaddle. We had no issues what so ever, the footing was beautiful, the jumps safe and inviting. The students were a mixture of local and rated riders and all junior riders. While I was there, another lady approached the arena thinking I was Lynn and was complaining about the way the arena was set on a slight incline. (This by the way is so your arena is not underwater 75% of the season as Nokesville is known flood land.) And how she should change A, B, and C.... in order to accommodate her green horses. I kindly explained the every horse currently in the arena is green and that we were enjoying a nice environment in order to school (5 horses with plenty of room). Just an example of how patrons can be. Regardless, I've seen her handle many a potentialy difficult situation with more grace than can be said for a great deal of people. As far as the grounds go, more than enough parking, lovely footing, safe jumps, correct heights and distances, water available on grounds (Please bring your own buckets). And yes, there will be children on the premises (yet another sad complaint addressed on this forum) as they do tend to run rampid at show, local and rated alike, the little rascals just aren't particular about that. And if a patron has a question about the VHSA rules, please ensure YOU have a copy of the manual because between, AHSA going to USAE to USEF, and VHSA,VPBA, Hunter/Jumper Association etc, can we all really be sure we are following the current and updated version to the letter? Also, if you call VHSA about certain points rulings, filling classes (Lynn I applaude your efforts) and the like, VHSA is more apt to say "Discretion of the show mangement" So my advice? Be nice to the show management and be nice to each other. Thank you and have a blessed day.

    Lynn, See you this sunday!

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  • Greg
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    When I was a junior, it was very common for someone to approach my trainer, 3'6 horse in hand, and ask if I could fill a Medal. That is totally not a big deal; in fact I am impressed with a manager that would go out of her way to fill a VHSA associate class. While I am not a fan of lawsuit threats, I can understand the manager's attempt to squash the gist of the remarks made by some of the posters. It is common knowledge that some of the people who post here can get down right nasty. I would more than likely leap on the defensive, which would probably in turn make me confrontational if my livlihood was at the other end of unfavorable remarks. (Think Oprah and the beef industry!!!!) Even if they were said lightly, with no maliscious intent.

    I have not attended any of the shows in question, mostly because of personal scheduling difficulties. After reading the posts, I am impressed that someone would go out of her way to fill divisions for the people attending her shows. She has obviously worked very hard to improve her show grounds, and make the exhibitors happy. After all that hard work, it is probably difficult to hear people (for whatever reason) diss the results.

    Quality local shows are difficult to come by - it seems like this show series is striving to improve their image. Not everyone has the connections and show grounds that Tom Finch has. Yet these people are trying, and I thank them for that!!!!!!

    I will certainly do my best to attend a show in the near future.

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  • eventmom
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    First a question... is this the show that is across from Nokesville Park Where NHS holds their shows? If it is, oh my!

    Well, I found out it was the same place, but secret interlude took the wind right out of my sails. I was going to tell you guys that it was the tackiest show I had ever been to. Complete with out of control children, yelling mother, and poorly run classes, but I suspect you guys have already figured it out!

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  • Anyplace Farm
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    Anyplace,

    It is not over reaction or being sensitive, you made a statement that we do not follow VHSA rules. That is not an opinion, you have crossed the line for fact vs thought - Big difference.

    I am not complaining about your comment on footing or anything else, you have absolutely your right to an opion, I am concerned you have essentially called me a liar on an open forum - I don't appreciate that from anyone at any time.

    For those who are not interested in coming, by all means, find elsewhere to go, there are plenty of riders and if this is what you support from your colleagues, I don't need rifraff or bad behavior at my shows.
    The funniest part of all is the decision on how to break a tie for Champion in Pleasure (which was what my friend called me about from your show) was made by the judge officiating that day. Not you. Which left the exhibitor, and anyone else who discussed it, annoyed with the judge. However, I think the exhibitor hopes that management will be well-versed with the rule book or common practices and will confer with the judge for a fair and ameanable decision when controversies arise.

    You immediately went on the defensive. Any other show manager might have said, "We strive very hard to follow the rules at our shows and we've worked hard at providing a fun, competitive yet relaxed atmosphere. Please give me an example -- I'd love to fix the problem so it doesn't happen again." Girl, you came out swinging.

    We've seen Foxchase's show manager join in on a thread here before where she noticed folks complaining about a snafu and she simply wanted to educate herself to the problem so she could fix it. No one was nasty in the initial responses. This thread would have died until you got on. And, as you know, on this board, once people see a lot of postings going on a thread, they want to see what all the fuss is. So, you're kind of calling attention to it now.

    In the beginning, there was one person in this thread that would not have returned to your show -- that was justdandy. Now, I think you probably have several. That's a shame.

    Regardless, I think you stepped in it big time today. I do not see where I called you a liar. Unprofessional, yes. And on that note, I think I'm done with this one -- for your sake.

    And tattling? You're the one that went to the VHSA with this. Not us.

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  • secret interlude
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    Thanks S4zeus, I knew some of my supporters would come out of the wood work. I think there are far more satisfied folks than disatisfied folks, and certainly if we made up our own rules all the time, we would have had consequences. People who make comments like this on the internet tend to be the first people to call and taddle when they think they have something good!

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  • secret interlude
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    Anyplace,

    It is not over reaction or being sensitive, you made a statement that we do not follow VHSA rules. That is not an opinion, you have crossed the line for fact vs thought - Big difference.

    I am not complaining about your comment on footing or anything else, you have absolutely your right to an opion, I am concerned you have essentially called me a liar on an open forum - I don't appreciate that from anyone at any time.

    For those who are not interested in coming, by all means, find elsewhere to go, there are plenty of riders and if this is what you support from your colleagues, I don't need rifraff or bad behavior at my shows.

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  • eventmom
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    First a question... is this the show that is across from Nokesville Park Where NHS holds their shows? If it is, oh my!

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  • S4zeus
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    Originally posted by Janet View Post
    JustDandy never said rules were broken, she just said she had an unpleasant experience.

    And the OP SPECIFICALLY asked about divisions not filling.

    I will say from my experience, she will do anything she can to help a class fill so that riders will get their points. I have ridden a baby of her's in one class just to fill a division. She will find a way. There is usually a hose for water close to one of the houses. I haven't been there since the ring was refurbished, but have heard now the slope isn't nearly as "sloping"

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  • Entourage
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    I can tell you from your attitude on this post that I'm sure you've solidified it for many people to not check out your shows, and I say this because I am one of them!

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  • Anyplace Farm
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    Erin,

    I appreciate your advice, however the slanderous comments that were made and the suggestion by justdandy that in fact she was going to provide something that was a questionable behavior to VHSA is unacceptable. I do not slander others nor will I accept being slandered.

    Again, I have not broken any VHSA rules, I read on this post all the time and do not usually post as well. When it comes to my reputation, it is a little different.

    I do remember you Justdandy, maybe you think you were not apologized to, and maybe you don't even know who I am, but you were told the division was cancelled when we saw you riding in the field. We gave a gate call for you and you never appeared. We thought you had left until everything was done. I explained that to you also, so I am not sure why you are so confused. Furthermore, all relationships were not meant to be and apparently ours was not meant to be and I am actually fine with that. I do not expect all people who attend my shows to be pig fat happy. I would like that, but in some cases you just can't please some people.
    Oh for chrissake! Umm...let's see, I went to Giant the other day everybody and that tomato I picked out had spots on it.

    Do you think Giant's gonna come back and try to sue me for saying that? Ooooooooooooooooo!

    Get real and get some rest! Holy smokes!

    To reiterate -- did I suggest to Everythingbutwings to go and have a great time, yeah. I said it was a nice, family atmosphere. We are SO USED to weird crap happening at the shows and we know it is a part of going to them. WE STILL GO. But geezus -- like Janet said, I have officially changed my mind about this particular show. What a shame this had to get so STUPID.

    You hear people bitching about Tom Struzzieri's footing at Culpeper. Do you think he's chasing people down yelling, "Slander!" Puh-leeze!

    You've got a choice -- jump off and save face, make nice, or go away before you really jack yourself.

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  • Anyplace Farm
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    By all means, post away, just remember what I said, you had better post gospel, because I am not going to fool around with you. This is lawsuit material and I have all the time in the world.
    Hahahah! You are making this WAY bigger than necessary. Egads! Do you not realize that ALLLLLLLLL these people are going to talk about this? And that you are chasing off entries as we speak?

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  • Anyplace Farm
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    Originally posted by justdandy View Post
    If you would like, I can tell you about my one and only experience at one of your horse shows. But perhaps you don't want me to post it since VHSA has a link to this thread.

    Here here. Yeesh. If I contacted the VHSA every time I saw something go wrong at a piss-ant local show, THEY'D put me on a black list.

    Did I want to call them when I saw a certain judge at Frying Pan a) talking on his cell phone and b) judging is own student in the green ponies? Sure. But I know VHSA has bigger fish to fry.

    It was more fun to see the faces of those clients when they realized someone they knew actually WAS at the show.

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  • Anyplace Farm
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    FYI ladies........... VHSA has a copy of this posting as of this am.
    Oh, they are so bored by this stuff.

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  • Anyplace Farm
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    Hello All!!

    You guys should come and ask me all these questions, I am sooooo approachable.

    Thanks for the compliments from those who have been to our shows, it seems like we are accomplishing our goals of a relaxed, fun, and unpretentious environment.

    As far a water is concerned, we definitely have well water available - unlimited amounts - even at that.

    I, myself, completely reworked the arena. After approx 30 dump truck loads of blue stone and manufactured sand (which looks like bluestone, but is really sand), I became best friends with a bobcat I named Bertha. She and I moved gravel and sand like we were bonded professionals. The arena is not perfectly flat, still some grade, but very slight. As recommendations per a valued colleague of mine, "one should never have a flat arena."

    I am a little bent about the unsubstantiated allegations, I am not one to engage with folks who are underinformed or underprepared, but those are litiginous comments made that are absolutely untrue. I am sure I have a long list of judges who will be ready to spar with you about your comments also, which I may add, I will personally forward to them individually, as you are speaking of their reputations as well.

    I do feel like ANYPLACE FARM owes me an internet posted apology, unless of course you can provide some information to back up your claims.

    No hard feelings, I have been in this business for a long time and opinions are like..., well...., you know.

    See ya at the show Sunday!!!
    No apology necessary. This is an open forum where people ask questions and people either share their experiences or share what others have told them.

    What I shared was what someone shared with me while standing on your show grounds. While I'm sure it makes you feel a little defensive because you want to depict the best image possible, you simply need to please your clientele. Pleasing clientele at shows just means following the rules. If you feel like you followed the rules, then great, sleep tight. If not, yes, people will talk.

    Are you the first show that people talk about not following the rules (whether you did or not or think you did or not)? No. Are those other shows still going? Yes. Relax. This kind of talk doesn't sink a show. But if you and I go back and forth in this forum and it gets ugly, then you probably are going to get way more advertising than you want.

    Will it affect me if you and I go back and forth? No. Thru a PM, did I recommend that Everythingbutwings attend your show. Yes.

    You are incorrect in saying that I am talking about a long list of judges and that sounded a little threatening. Not that it made me shake in my boots. What you in essence just said is, "I'm going to tell these judges that you said X, Y, Z so that when you go to one of their shows, they will cross you off their list." That kind of opens up a bit of a can of worms because then, you leave the door open for exhibitors to say to a show manager, "No, I'm sorry, neither I nor my friends are going to come to your show because we heard so and so was there and it is our belief, due to some comments made on an open forum, that those judges might not be so ethical."

    Just doesn't speak well for the Associate Program, which we all tend to have little problems with to begin with. The program is in essence, a good one and we enjoy it and appreciate the shows that participate in it.

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  • justdandy
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    Erin,

    I appreciate your advice, however the slanderous comments that were made and the suggestion by justdandy that in fact she was going to provide something that was a questionable behavior to VHSA is unacceptable. I do not slander others nor will I accept being slandered.

    Again, I have not broken any VHSA rules, I read on this post all the time and do not usually post as well. When it comes to my reputation, it is a little different.

    I do remember you Justdandy, maybe you think you were not apologized to, and maybe you don't even know who I am, but you were told the division was cancelled when we saw you riding in the field. We gave a gate call for you and you never appeared. We thought you had left until everything was done. I explained that to you also, so I am not sure why you are so confused. Furthermore, all relationships were not meant to be and apparently ours was not meant to be and I am actually fine with that. I do not expect all people who attend my shows to be pig fat happy. I would like that, but in some cases you just can't please some people.
    I do know who you are (and I do remember you saying you "couldn't find me and thought I had left") and if there was a gate call it wasn't done over the PA. I don't know how you thought I had left because I was in the schooling area/field (RIGHT next to the ring) the entire time all by myself on a grey horse (sort of hard to miss). If you saw me in the field to tell me the division was canceled (which you didn't tell me it was canceled because I got that information from a friend), then how could you NOT see me in the field schooling for the division? That's where I'm confused.

    You're right...all relationships aren't meant to be and this one definitely was not. Good luck with your shows.

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  • secret interlude
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    Erin,

    I appreciate your advice, however the slanderous comments that were made and the suggestion by justdandy that in fact she was going to provide something that was a questionable behavior to VHSA is unacceptable. I do not slander others nor will I accept being slandered.

    Again, I have not broken any VHSA rules, I read on this post all the time and do not usually post as well. When it comes to my reputation, it is a little different.

    I do remember you Justdandy, maybe you think you were not apologized to, and maybe you don't even know who I am, but you were told the division was cancelled when we saw you riding in the field. We gave a gate call for you and you never appeared. We thought you had left until everything was done. I explained that to you also, so I am not sure why you are so confused. Furthermore, all relationships were not meant to be and apparently ours was not meant to be and I am actually fine with that. I do not expect all people who attend my shows to be pig fat happy. I would like that, but in some cases you just can't please some people.

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  • Janet
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    Originally posted by Erin View Post
    secret interlude, a word to the wise.

    By all means, if you feel that someone has posted incorrect information, correct them. But lawsuit threats? Honestly, that pretty much automatically moves you into category #2 in most people's eyes. You're not doing yourself any favors, and will likely turn OFF way more people than you'll win over.
    Yep.

    I live in Nokesville.

    I am primarily an eventer, but I sometimes go to hunter shows for specific reasons.

    When this thread first appeared, I thought "that might be a good one to take Spy to". (Not THIS weekend, but later)

    Anyplace's post didn't change that.

    secret interlude's posts DID change that.

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  • Erin
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    secret interlude, a word to the wise.

    Lots and lots and LOTS of people read these threads, even though they may not post.

    They observe others' behavior, and file them away in one of two categories: 1. Gee, that person seems nice and reasonable! I'd love to do business with them if I have a chance. 2. Holy cow, who IS this whackjob? Not going near that one with a ten foot pole!

    People are entitled to have -- and to post -- negative opinions. It's a simple fact of life that you (generic "you") cannot please all the people all the time, and anyone reading these threads who has two feeble brain cells to rub together knows that.

    By all means, if you feel that someone has posted incorrect information, correct them. But lawsuit threats? Honestly, that pretty much automatically moves you into category #2 in most people's eyes. You're not doing yourself any favors, and will likely turn OFF way more people than you'll win over.

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  • justdandy
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    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    I am sorry, how exactly is this breaking VHSA rules???

    I am not sure why you did not get to show, you are lucky, you could have had to pay for your classes and I think you are ungrateful.

    Next please~!!!!!!
    First, I don't think I mentioned anything about breaking rules. I just thought VHSA would be interested about how you run your shows so that divsions will fill and others could get points.

    Ungrateful? I think not! I was more than willing to pay for those classes. In fact, I was originally entered in that division, but decided to scratch so I could go home because it was starting to get late and I had other things to do. Since there were very few people left at the show that could fill the division and I was at the entry booth scratching when you walked up and asked several times for me not to scratch (even offering to let me enter at no cost), I decided to go ahead and fill the division so that the others could get their points. I had no reason to enter the division except to have a bit of fun. I'm not a member of VHSA so I have no need for points.

    Speaking of being "ungrateful," you never even told me the division was canceled. I had to find out from my friend. You didn't even apologize to me after I pulled my horse off the trailer, unwrapped him, tacked up and schooled. I came back to the ring to see the judge leaving the judge's booth, no one else was at the in gate and my friend walked up to me to tell me the division was canceled.

    Yes...you were doing me a favor by letting me go in the ring to school and have fun at no cost, but I think I was doing you a favor by filling a division for you in order for points to count.

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