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  • Justdandy, You just made me spit on my keyboard
    btw, we are the family with two girls sharing a buckskin pony these days!

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    • Originally posted by eventmom View Post
      Justdandy, You just made me spit on my keyboard
      btw, we are the family with two girls sharing a buckskin pony these days!
      Ooopppptthhh....thorry!
      Honey badger don't give a sh!t.

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      • Amazing....I go out of town for a day and look what happens!! I'm speechless!!

        Janet, since you are the rules guru, and if I understood your post.. SI can take away someone's points for whatever reason, even if it is unjust, as long as the points are not taken from the VHSA Assoc points....is that correct? What exactly is the procedure should SI decide to try to get Assoc points taken away? I would think, as Anyplace said, there would have to be some sort of formal protest, hearing, etc....is that also correct?

        I still do not understand any rational logic for doing such a thing and would appreciate SI explaining her actions. It is just this type of deplorable, unprofessional, non-horsemanship-like behavior that has given the horse industry a bad image.
        Debbie Hanson
        www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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        • Originally posted by RNB View Post
          Amazing....I go out of town for a day and look what happens!! I'm speechless!!

          Janet, since you are the rules guru, and if I understood your post.. SI can take away someone's points for whatever reason, even if it is unjust, as long as the points are not taken from the VHSA Assoc points....is that correct? What exactly is the procedure should SI decide to try to get Assoc points taken away? I would think, as Anyplace said, there would have to be some sort of formal protest, hearing, etc....is that also correct?
          VHSA rules are here
          http://www.vhsa.com/2007RuleBook.doc
          Associate rules are at the end.

          I can't find anything about "taking points away" per se, but RULE 9- describes PROTESTS, CHARGES AND HEARINGS, and RULE 10- describes VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES.
          Janet

          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.

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          • LBB, surely you must be joking I thought the woman was nuts but I now believe she is truly certifiable. Wow.

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            • As long as LBB's VHSA points weren't taken away, then I wouldn't care. After re-reading SI's response, I am not clear as to whether or not the points have been taken from LBB under VHSA. I have since emailed VHSA out of curiosity, given that SI said VHSA said she could do as she wanted. That's fine and dandy but if the VHSA points were taken away, that's a whole new can o' worms that I can guarantee you, is going to have a lot of people hot under the collar and on the horn w/VHSA.

              Years ago, we had a discrepancy w/a show manager who consistently, in her haste, got the 2nd = 3 pts, 3rd = 2pts thing mixed up. She had calculated her series points incorrectly, yet because the cards get submitted to the VHSA, the points were correct w/VHSA. When we gently tried to get her to correct the discrepancy (she didn't like to be told she was wrong) for her series, she would not because she felt one of my students had won enough and wanted the high-point to actually go to another of my students who was running a close second. Since they were my students, I kept careful records and knew what each child had won. Anyway, long story short, we didn't care since the VHSA points were really all that mattered, as the child was up for year-end awards under VHSA.

              Given that I highly doubt after all of this (especially after the HO Show gal just took a wild guess at who to target to make herself feel better about this whole deal) that LBB is going to go to any HO shows, it probably doesn't really matter. It is just the principle of the thing.

              "If you have the time, spend it. If you have a hand, lend it. If you have the money, give it. If you have a heart, share it." by me

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              • Originally posted by eventmom View Post
                ...Does this mean you get your money back?
                That thought entered my mind, but I'm sure it will go towards paying for that "red hot attorney"....
                They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken...

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                • Original Poster

                  NHS

                  Our horses very much enjoyed the close proximity of the Nokesville Park. "My" ladies schooled in the ring pleasantly alone and then took the pair for a short trail ride, which greatly pleased Wings, prior to returning to the Hollow Oak showgrounds that day.
                  "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                  • OMG !!!

                    I had no intentions of getting into this, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. I know first hand from a conversation I had with LBB when this thread started and I believe whole heartedly that LBB had nothing to do with anything being said. I know her as being bluntly honest and dedicated to following all of the "rules" and I see how SI would jump to a conclusion that she had started it, but she did not. Being honest and by the book, is what I have admired in her for many years now, and why I also keep her as a good friend. When I need advice, she is not afraid to tell me exactly how she feels, blunt, upfront and right to the point. The advice might hurt, but in the end, she was right and I needed to hear it. Many of us have witnessed these incidents going on at HOF, not just LBB. If LBB has VHSA points removed I will definitely get involved in helping her get them back. LBB, let me know what I can do!!!
                    \"A rider is only as good as the horse that is underneath them\"

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                      Ditto

                      La Bonnie Bon said absolutely nothing to me prior to our attendance on 7/1 that could be considered detrimental to HOF show management. Anyplace Farm and Janet, knowing my horses and what I was looking for also gave me a fair assessment and said they thought I'd have a nice day were we to attend.

                      It was completely our own experience at the show along with SI's bizarre behavior here that will prevent us from returning.

                      We went to both Foxchase and Sandstone's shows the following weekend and our experience at both was different as night and day from that at Hollow Oak. Well attended, run smoothly, a good reputation means people will come.

                      Above all, untoward things happen at horse shows. It is how management strives to make the show run smoothly, to correct the hiccups and encourage entries to return that will fill classes and allow people to feel good about spending their $$ and time attending.
                      "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                      • Truth is, I think the whole thing is funny. You gotta know, I went to her show two years ago. I have had it in memory as the worst Hunter experience ever. When this thread popped up, I laughed so hard. It has been the source of a good laugh between myself and my husband for a couple of weeks now.
                        Please don't feel you need to defend LLB. We all know where the bad judgement lies. The poor woman keeps putting her foot in her mouth. Feel free to just leave it there
                        I keep thinking, if I bump this when it hits the next page, will she take my points away? Oh ya, I don't have any

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                        • btw, Sorry the joke is at HOF lady's expense. I suspect if she could just learn to laugh a little without threatening lawsuits and removing points, and sending "friends" to her rescue, we could all have a good time together.

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                          • Originally posted by Anyplace Farm View Post
                            As long as LBB's VHSA points weren't taken away, then I wouldn't care. After re-reading SI's response, I am not clear as to whether or not the points have been taken from LBB under VHSA. I have since emailed VHSA out of curiosity, given that SI said VHSA said she could do as she wanted. That's fine and dandy but if the VHSA points were taken away, that's a whole new can o' worms that I can guarantee you, is going to have a lot of people hot under the collar and on the horn w/VHSA.

                            It is just the principle of the thing.
                            I agree Anyplace. Let us know what the VHSA says.

                            Should the VHSA say LBB retains her Assoc. points but SI is allowed to remove her HO points I still think it is the most unprofessional, bad example of horsemanship I have seen in quite a while. Shame, shame, shame!!!
                            Debbie Hanson
                            www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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                            • Anyplace, have you heard anything from the VHSA?
                              Debbie Hanson
                              www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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                              • Original Poster

                                VHSA

                                I called with an unrelated question last week and got a message that they'd be out of the office until 7/23. I imagine they've got some catching up to do, with shows reporting, etc.
                                "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                                • Originally posted by RNB View Post
                                  Anyplace, have you heard anything from the VHSA?
                                  You're kidding, right? Where's my 'ha-ha' icon? I don't expect to hear back from them for at least a month, if that. Trust me, our letters of complaint will hit their offices before we get a response to my email.

                                  "If you have the time, spend it. If you have a hand, lend it. If you have the money, give it. If you have a heart, share it." by me

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                                  • I must have had a brain-fart Anyplace!!! I've been waiting for something since February!!!
                                    Debbie Hanson
                                    www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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                                    • Originally posted by RNB View Post
                                      I must have had a brain-fart Anyplace!!! I've been waiting for something since February!!!

                                      Take a Bean-o and call me in six months after they call you.

                                      "If you have the time, spend it. If you have a hand, lend it. If you have the money, give it. If you have a heart, share it." by me

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                                      • I thought we could not use alter egos...or at least they were frowned upon... hum? Interesting thread! I miss so much when I decide to go on vacation!
                                        I have only been to the show once, but, the judging was pretty inconsistant. Over all everyone seemed nice and low key.

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                                        • Who are you thinking/suspecting/accusing of using an alter?

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