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  • Trixie
    It appears that this woman has made several attempts to end this thread. She is in a difficult position with people trying to make her look like an idiot, and calling her threats bluff. She's damned if she does, she's damned if she don't! Lets all just drop it, now, ok? It certainly isn't making any of us better people.
    Um, no, she "damned" herself by making insane threats on people who were only expressing an opinion on a forum where that is par for the course, and then acting completely unprofessional, not to mention unsportsmanlike.

    This thread would NEVER in a million years have escalated to this point if the "professional" in question had acted professionally.

    I don't think this board hurt her. I think she hurt herself.

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  • Greg
    Please, lets just drop this, it's so nasty.

    The "reports" made on this woman's behavior certainly sound disturbing. However, even more disturbing, is the gleeful way some of the ladies on this board have been trashing every aspect of this woman's life, from her horse shows, to her proffession, to her ability to parent her child. She may have jumped the gun with getting in peoples faces as early as she did, however, by page 6 I would personally be ready to take the whole lot of you on - with my fingernails and teeth if I had to - were I in her position.

    [edit] She took offense at comments she felt were derogatory. Her response was bordering on ugly, however, if ya'll had let it go, it would have flamed out.

    I don't proffess to know any of you. If any of you were my friends, and responding this way, I would be ashamed. Again and again, the general theme seems to be about superiority - you are superior over her. "Look at her - she can't even spell!" Her "lawsuit threat" such that it is - is obviously empty. Why do you all feel it neccesary to taunt her with it again and again. You constantly call her show "backyard", "local", and "tacky" She works hard to put it on, though. Even if it doesn't matter to you, it matters to her! Sometimes it seems like there is a group of women on this board that never left high school; still taking pleasure at making other people feel bad about themselves. If this show is so beneath you, what does it matter, anyway?

    LBB - she shouldn't have taken your points away, you don't appear to have been much involved at all. I'm pretty sure it won't break you, though! We are all aware that you stand beside your principles, and this is a "principle thing." Still, I think this board has hurt her enough. If by chance - you are down to the wire and those points are an issue, I doubt you will lack support in any endeavors to reclaim your stripped title!

    It appears that this woman has made several attempts to end this thread. She is in a difficult position with people trying to make her look like an idiot, and calling her threats bluff. She's damned if she does, she's damned if she don't! Lets all just drop it, now, ok? It certainly isn't making any of us better people.
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  • PiedPiper
    Shoot not surprised to see that other name thrown into the mix.

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  • RNB
    The issue that truly bothers me the most....RULES! We all have them, have to live with them and abide by them. Why should the horse industry be any different. Show participants should NOT be punished for bringing attention to show management or a trainer if rules are being broken. I see this at shows all the time ...and people get away with breaking the rules for a number of reasons. Heck, most of the time show management turns a blind eye because the trainer of such a person brings "lots" of paying clients to a show. It boils down to money and the attitude displayed to people who try to have everyone play by the rules is deplorable.

    Taking away someone's points is the ultimate in unprofessional horsemanship!!!! It seems as though this type of response is a way to show the rest of the people who come to such shows that they better not buck the system by bringing to someone's attention rules being broken or they too will loose their points. I too would like to know if it was brought to show managements attention that rules were indeed being broken why has that participant been allowed to keep their point instead of LBB loosing all her points because she was the one who spoke up.

    For those of us who play by the rules I say good for you LBB.....thanks for standing up for the rest of us!!! And I WILL refer to this particular incident in ALL my upcoming meetings!!!!!!!

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  • There's No Coast of Nebraska
    I can't believe that this thread is still going.

    I have been to one of SI's shows, and have witnessed chaos and insanity that is very similar or identical to that which has already been described by previous posters. As a result of this expereince, I plan on never returning to another show of hers for any reason.

    But I can also conclude from this thread and from my personal experience that SI has problems that go far beyond poorly run horse shows. [edit]
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  • CuriosoJorge
    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    displayed pure craziness
    Lynn, the only one displaying pure craziness here is you. If your behavior on this bb is in any way similar to your professional behavior, I feel sorry for your patients!!! (And I only say this because YOU are the one who brought up your career!)

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  • caffeinated
    SI, I am outside observer to all this.

    I have never been to one of your shows. In fact, I have not been to ANY shows since a lehigh schooling show last July, and before that I think the last one was a BCHSA thing at Goucher where my mount got loose twice because his owner kept tying him too short.

    Anyway, what I'm saying is I have no interest in your shows, don't know any of these people (except I saw AP at a clinic once), and have nothing to gain or lose by saying this.

    YOU, and only you, are making yourself look like a nutcase*. Really. I have no interest in attending your shows, not because of what OTHER people have said (OK, well I maybe give the wings report some attention), but because of YOUR response to it. Your account of what LBB did and the subsequent ominous sounding "oh, OTHER people have issues with you, too!!!" bullcrap (and yes, it's bullcrap, I've seen it a million times when people feel threatened, I recognize that tone, even types) have made you look like you just might have a screw loose.

    Maybe LBB did wing her arms around and get mad. But is that less sportsmanlike than breaking the rules? Did you also fix the points related to that?

    *why is this so hard for people? So many times on here people get on to defend themselves and end up making themselves look even worse. And when you point it out to them they stick their fingers in their ears and shut their eyes, and scream "lalalalalalalalaaaa" till they turn blue.

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  • Everythingbutwings
    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    I ONLY saw YOU flailing your arms like you were going to engage in a fist fight. I thought you were going to assault someone. You slammed your notebook around and displayed pure craziness. I never heard any cursing, maybe I missed it, I was a little distracted by whether I was going to have to call the police on you or not. As far as anyone else who witnessed this, you were the attacker.

    ... Your reputation precedes you in most cases for similar events. Personal advice.... I would try some anger management techniques.
    SI, at the show I was at, I saw YOU screaming at your son, [edit]
    That scene, added to the complete and utter disorganization of the end of the day classes is why I won't be coming back.

    Take your own advice. Your reputation precedes you, try some anger management techniques.
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  • LaBonnieBon
    Well, perhaps you should know the full story before you start posting stuff like this. I think you may have been busy trying to settle down the horse you tied to the judges stand... that was dragging the judges stand away...

    Your description is not accurate. You were not there for the entire altercation. Your mother was BEHIND us at a completely different table.

    Another false accusation - No one has approached me about my "behavior" at a show..... you're the only one who has an issue because you only saw one side of it and try to act like you know everything.

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  • secret interlude
    Hardly bad behavior.......

    I ONLY saw YOU flailing your arms like you were going to engage in a fist fight. I thought you were going to assault someone. You slammed your notebook around and displayed pure craziness. I never heard any cursing, maybe I missed it, I was a little distracted by whether I was going to have to call the police on you or not. As far as anyone else who witnessed this, you were the attacker. You stood over my 73 year old mother who was trapped at the table screaming over top of her. You threw around accusations that were ridiculous.

    And..... no one but you, LBB, will be losing their points. You may find other shows following suit, people are getting tired of this type of behavior. I think someone else approached you about your behavior and how they were not going to tolerate this at their shows either. Your reputation precedes you in most cases for similar events. Personal advice.... I would try some anger management techniques.

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  • LaBonnieBon
    Here is the email trail from HO, in it's entirety. I left the center paragraph out when I initially posted the email as I did not think it was relevant. Can someone please tell me where it clearly says why my points were revoked??????

    Hi Karin,

    I feel very strongly that you have been primarily responsible for the
    Chronicle BB and the majority of the negative attitudes. I realize you have
    not personally posted, however, it is my understanding that you had your
    dear friends posting because you were mad - about what I don't know,
    probably because I did not get involved in the altercation that took place a few weeks ago.

    The information about the pleasure championship being awarded at the judges discretion could have only come from you. Incorrect as it was, that in and of itself was a dead giveaway. All 3 of you hacked off for the championship, no one made any decisions except you. No one else even cared how it was decided until you started having issues. That's when everyone else agreed to hack off. I am not even sure why you had hard feelings about that as you did win the championship.

    I talked to VHSA about what happened at the 6/3/07 show, it is my discretion to discard my show points and eliminate competitors. I don't want any conflict, life is too short.

    I am sorry if you feel offended,

    N. Lynn Sadler, CFNP, MSN


    Subject: Question
    Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:43:02 +0000


    In checking my points on your website, I noticed that you have removed my points. I'm a little confused, can you tell me why I was not eligible to
    accumulate points at your show on June 3, 2007?



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  • LaBonnieBon
    MY unsportsmanshiplike behavior?? HA!

    MY unsportsmanshiplike behavior?? Lynn, this is a good one!!

    I went up to you and Melynda from Century Manor Farm at the 6/3/07 show. I inquired about "Mary's Cross" being shown in both the Adult AND Children's Pleasure division at the 5/6/07 HO show. This is not allowed per the VHSA Rulebook (See Section 28, Sec 1, h & i on page 47 of the rulebook). I told Melynda that I wanted to make sure she was aware of the rule because I would hate for her students to lose points later in the year, as that had happened to a couple friends of mine for various reasons.

    Melynda then called me a bitch (in front of her students, too).

    I can put up with a lot of stuff, but when I am trying to be nice by looking out for someone's students and then they call me a bitch.... that is the point where I can no longer play nice in the sandbox.

    And now the $64,000 question: Are the people from Century Manor going to lose their points, too, because of their trainer's rude remark??

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  • secret interlude
    Just Dandy,

    As I said, LBB did not post the whole email.

    I spoke w/ VHSA the following morning, 6/4/07, about the incident.

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  • justdandy
    SI - question for you. Which reason for revoking (NOT revolking) LBB's points is the actual reason? In your e-mail response to LBB regarding the question of why the points were revoked you said the following:

    "I feel very strongly that you have been primarily responsible for the Chronicle BB and the majority of the negative attitudes. I realize you have not personally posted, however, it is my understanding that you had your dear friends posting because you were mad - about what I don't know, probably because I did not get involved in the altercation that took place a few weeks ago."

    So, if that had nothing to do with why her points were revoked then why was it the first thing you put in your e-mail? If it had nothing to do with her points being revoked then why was it even in the e-mail?

    If the reason for revoking the points was because of the so-called altercation, then why did you not mention that first? Why was it necessary to mention the fact that you thought LBB was the one behind the responses in this thread?

    Just curious.

    Oh...and one more question....if it was because of the "altercation," why did it take you almost a month to revoke the points?

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  • secret interlude
    In re:::::: The long awaited response......

    For clarification purposes, LBB's points being revolked was the consequence of her unsportsmanlike behavior toward another spectator at the 6/3/07 show. She can give you the intimate details of why she behaved so, if there ever is a good reason. My interjection about the BB was merely my opinion and what had been passed back to me by rumor. If you read the email, you would see that her points were revolked directly related to the incident that took place on 6/3/07. If she had not cut out information in the email, all of this would have made more sense to everyone.

    BTW, there has never been a championship award given at the descretion of a judge in the past 3 years I have been hosting these shows. That information came from LBB. That was the tie-in on the email. She was complaining at the show about how to break a 3 way tie, she requested a ride off and a ride off is what happened, eventhough the other 2 riders would have liked to delegate the championship without a ride off in a raining downpour. The judge suggested the championship could be awarded to the rider winning the most difficult class which was the w/t/c class and I let the riders involved make their own decisions.

    I don't have any alter ID's on this site, I have only posted under my name - ever.

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  • galwaybay
    Originally posted by secret interlude View Post
    Hello All!!

    You guys should come and ask me all these questions, I am sooooo approachable.

    Thanks for the compliments from those who have been to our shows, it seems like we are accomplishing our goals of a relaxed, fun, and unpretentious environment.

    As far a water is concerned, we definitely have well water available - unlimited amounts - even at that.

    I, myself, completely reworked the arena. After approx 30 dump truck loads of blue stone and manufactured sand (which looks like bluestone, but is really sand), I became best friends with a bobcat I named Bertha. She and I moved gravel and sand like we were bonded professionals. The arena is not perfectly flat, still some grade, but very slight. As recommendations per a valued colleague of mine, "one should never have a flat arena."

    I am a little bent about the unsubstantiated allegations, I am not one to engage with folks who are underinformed or underprepared, but those are litiginous comments made that are absolutely untrue. I am sure I have a long list of judges who will be ready to spar with you about your comments also, which I may add, I will personally forward to them individually, as you are speaking of their reputations as well.

    I do feel like ANYPLACE FARM owes me an internet posted apology, unless of course you can provide some information to back up your claims.

    No hard feelings, I have been in this business for a long time and opinions are like..., well...., you know.

    See ya at the show Sunday!!!
    Okay so this has been an ongoing thread - I'm reading with pseudo fresh mind.

    First - I don't see anything litiginous or slanderous about saying someone doesn't follows/bends the rules -no one person was named in particular and these comment(s) could have been directed at any number of people - yes perhaps the organizer or could have been directed at an exhibitor(s) who might have a reputation of breaking/bending rules constantly which happens unfortunately a lot - either on purpose or by ignorance. Example: A new local trainer is all upset that her best school horse doesn't pin in a pleasure class -could have been because of the running martingale. She was upset because NO ONE told her running martingales weren't allowed. Okay and she's a trainer.. nuff said.

    2nd paragraph reads a little friendlier- would be delighted to see what progress Bertha has made on the rings.

    3rd paragraph - 4 get IT. Who wants to go to a show when someone threatens legal action over seemingly benign comments? Horse show judges are hired and paid to judge a horse show no adjudicate an associations rules or worry about what someone says about them ... if they did they would never be able to judge.

    I would make another comment, but I have to consult my attorney first.

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  • Policy of Truth
    Who are you thinking/suspecting/accusing of using an alter?

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  • smallfries
    I thought we could not use alter egos...or at least they were frowned upon... hum? Interesting thread! I miss so much when I decide to go on vacation!
    I have only been to the show once, but, the judging was pretty inconsistant. Over all everyone seemed nice and low key.

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  • Anyplace Farm
    Originally posted by RNB View Post
    I must have had a brain-fart Anyplace!!! I've been waiting for something since February!!!

    Take a Bean-o and call me in six months after they call you.

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  • RNB
    I must have had a brain-fart Anyplace!!! I've been waiting for something since February!!!

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