• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Supplements/diet suggestions for a lazy horse?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Supplements/diet suggestions for a lazy horse?

    Has anyone used energy supplements for a lazy horse that worked? He needs to respect my leg more, which I know will not be fixed by a supplement or dietary change, but he also generally needs more energy.

  • #2
    If your horse is indeed lazy and disrespecting your leg - he has to be TAUGHT to do it. You do not want to amp him up and make him high so you can get him forward. That might give you an occasional ride where you do not have to work so hard but honestly, that is nothing to build on. I suggest you have a good trainer get on him and ride him for 45 minutes and really ask the horse to send off and see what you can learn from watching and learning from that trainer.

    And a lot of horses in thsi case do well to learn lateral movements. I find a lot of horses that come to me for training that are dull to the leg - when I start teaching lateral movements, I can get them in front of the leg a lot easier very soon. Then the next step is consistency. When my horses are in the walk in the arena, they MARCH. They can saunter on the trail. I see a lot of my riders warm their horses up and let them drag along in the walk and it makes me crazy - you have to make the horse march in the walk or its not a warm up.

    Something else to think about - is he fit todo the work? Does he have a good attitude about his work? Is he having fun? Has he gotten bored - tired or - maybe you need to do something new and interesting to get him involved enthusiastically?

    OR if it is not an attitude and he's not really lazy but rather lethargic - you should talk to your vet about possible ideas on a lack of energy. If indeed it is a lack of energy - he could have a variety of problems.

    But if he is just lazy... I would not give him sugar - I would give him one of those cometoJesus riding sessions either with you or a trainer you can watch do it - saying - GET OFF MY LEG NOW!


    • #3
      I agree with Lara.

      I ride all horses in spurs. But with the really lazy ones, so I'm not continually spurring them and "deadening" them to it, I carry a dressage whip.


      • #4
        I have the same issue. 18 yrs old WB mare, very healthy, confirmed "just lazy" by vets and trainers. MAJOR whip and spur action to get her to trot at the start of a ride, and after walk breaks, then she is goes great. Not a "warm up" issue, have tried pre-warm up from ground. It's like she loves to be smacked around, but I HATE it. She is ridden fairly lightly 4 days a week with 1 of those a lazy trail ride. I just keep thinking her and I should share a espresso before a ride and she would be fine! Can't grain her too much or she gets fat. My gelding is the total opposite, so forward! Ideas that don't involve training?


        • #5
          More info: she gets excellent quality grass hay and 1/2 lb crimped oats, Glazen Lite and salt. She has pretty much always been this way and I've had her for 12 yrs, but is getting slowly worse. I've tried SmarkPak SmartEnergy and that did nothing. I ride her dressage -2nd level.


          • #6
            My gelding is very similar. I'm very consistant with making him move off my leg immediatley and making him work the entire time he's in the ring, no walking around, dragging his feet until he cools off taking a walk around the farm. Even with consistancy and spurs and a crop being used properly, he still needed just a touch more to wake him up a bit. I have him on 2 oz. LinPro during the summer months and it gives him just what he needs. Makes him just alert enough that he's willing to be more forward.


            • #7
              For a slightly older horse, I would wonder if being slow in e beginning is stiffness from arthritis. Once she is made to work through it she can move smoothly and through her back and forward. I had one gelding that was like that, and adding a good joint supplement did wonders on speeding up his warmup time. I would also recommend a Chiro visit if possible.


              • #8
                Try Redcell... It works on our lazy pony.


                • #9
                  Thanks for the ideas. She is on Pentosan and joint supplements as preventative (+ multi vitamin/mineral), but doesn't appear to have stiffness or soreness anywhere except between the ears If not ridden for a few days she will run and buck like a filly in her paddock if the spirt moves her. I might try some sweet mix if I can feed just a little and have it help.


                  • #10
                    If you've got access to a vet with experience in traditional Chinese medicine, ask about Equine Du Huo blend. My Welsh-Arab cross grew pathologically slow and lazy, and nothing -- rest, joint injections, bloodwork, a course of antibiotics to cover tick-borne illness -- helped or turned up a cause for the lethargy. I had all but stopped riding him because it was such a miserable experience for both of us when my vet (a DVM who also practices acupuncture, chiropractic, homeopathy, and TCM) suggested the supplement. Two days later, my pony was a different animal, happy and enjoying his work once more. He stayed on the supplement for the rest of his life, and now my Thoroughbred -- who has no need of anything to perk him up but does have some soreness issues thanks to his conformation, time on the track, and old injuries -- has been started on it, with great results. I was a skeptic going in, but the results were too dramatic to dismiss.
                    Last edited by Sunnyhorse; Jun. 24, 2012, 07:36 PM.


                    • #11
                      I agree with the above posters with making the horse really get to work when riding in the ring. Making them move off your leg NOW, using stick/spurs when needed. I've had a few naturally very lazy hunters come through the barn, and what I found to work the best was a program designed to improve their overall fitness level. This included trot sets out in a big field followed by a long canter with some galloping at least twice a week. I usually finished with a nice trail ride back to the barn. Once the horse's fitness level increased, so did their energy while working in the ring.

                      I haven't had great success in the past with any feed-through supplements or grain changes to increase energy.


                      • #12
                        I agree and do use the *Jane Savoie* method to try to get her to be light off the leg. The problem is it requires MAJOR whip and spurs to get a reaction. All I need with my gelding is a light squeeze, and I am the only one who has ever ridden him. What I have been trying is after warm up, doing canter lengthenings and flying changes to wake her up. This helps, but we still have to have this big whip and spur thing before hand.

                        I don't have any gallop safe fields on my property (too many rocks) but we do weekly trail rides.


                        • #13
                          I used an energy supplement from Smart Pak. I wasn't sure if it was doing anything until the weather got cold and I forgot to change his Smart Pak. Wow. When my trainer noticed how much higher he was than the prior year, a light bulb went off and I immediately stopped the extra energy.

                          He calmed back down to his normal happy self.

                          Sorry, I forget which supplement it was. It was not Red Cell because I have some in my feed room for a boarder, and I know I did not use it.
                          "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                          Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump


                          • #14
                            i would say that your horse does no understand what you want, nor does he have the stamina to do what you want.

                            what might work for you is to have him follow a more forward horse but keep the session s short because he does not have the fitness required.

                            once he is more forward following, try going on your own...


                            • #15
                              What worked for me: Many small changes = big improvement! Switched to Daily Omegas Plus which definitely wakes her up. An occasional refresher on the long line helps to remind her who is alpha. Rowel type spurs, for when she gets stuck. Stopped using a whip, just pisses her off. Work no more than 2 days in a row. Even longer warm up: walk alternating long rein and medium, with lateral movements and creative stretching patterns, then stretching at canter. Way happier horse and rider! Thanks for your ideas!


                              • #16
                                Not all horses are created equal. Some come with a more natural tendency to go off the leg and/or have their own motors. Some don't and need some amount of "GO FORWARD" reestablished every single ride. I used to ride one horse that he would not be in front of my leg until I kicked and tapped enough to get him to kick out, as if to say "FINE ALREADY! I'll GO FORWARD." Once he kicked out, he stayed happily in front of my leg the rest of the ride. Until then, it was "kicktapkicktapkicktapkickkicktaptapswatkicktaptap tap".

                                Sometimes you just have to knuckle down and get tough. Sometimes you have to do it every ride.


                                • #17
                                  My gelding is 19 years old and started to get a little lazier than he had been. I added a scoop a day of Senior to his diet and it made a big difference in his energy level. He has positive forward energy, not "high" energy. He is big calm WB and a hard keeper so I give him the version with Molasses. If your horse is the TB type I would give her the "dry" variety..


                                  • #18
                                    could potentially be something lacking in the diet. I've used Redcell before as well, but it is not something I would use long term unless the horse was confirmed to have an iron deficiency.

                                    Like others have said, some horses just really lack a motor/motivation to move out. Just like some people! I've found the marching into the arena, and the ask-tell method with my leg/whip that was detailed above to work pretty well. You do have to be consistent though, i.e. do not nag.

                                    Also, one horse I used to ride who tended to do better when we cantered first, versus doing w-t-c. I would walk him around for 10-15 minutes, lots of bending and lateral work, and then canter a couple laps. Coming back to the trot after that he was always more lively. I think it was partially due to being stiff and a nice rolling canter for a few minutes tended to liven him up.


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by KateKat View Post
                                      Also, one horse I used to ride who tended to do better when we cantered first, versus doing w-t-c. I would walk him around for 10-15 minutes, lots of bending and lateral work, and then canter a couple laps. Coming back to the trot after that he was always more lively. I think it was partially due to being stiff and a nice rolling canter for a few minutes tended to liven him up.
                                      Interesting you mention this, I have learned to do the same with my horse. A few canter circles gives me an entirely different horse to work with.

                                      To the OP, I had a DraftX that was very lazy. After ruling out deficiencies/problems with my vet, the prescription was more leg and more fitness. I still think I ended up being fitter than the horse with the amount of leg I had to use for months on end!


                                      • #20
                                        With my extremely lazy gelding it worked to carry a crop.. and just show it to him when he started his lazy not moving off my leg bit. It worked better than hitting him or spurring him. Once he started moving forward I praised him tons..

                                        He was 1500 pounds of lazy Selle Francais. Some people that rode him when I was on vacation asked me how I ever got him cantering. LOL I said..did you show him your crop? They said Crop oh didn't carry one. LOL

                                        Be careful with adding too many supplements... you can get an undesirable result.. in not just energy but naughtiness too. Lazy horses are often smart horses.. and sometimes when they get fired up.. well with my gelding meant kicking up his back end.. like Galoubet.. of course he was related to that line. LOL
                                        One of a Kind Studio
                                        Fine Art Paintings, Horses, Dogs, Wildlife and anything else that inspires.

                                        New convert to the cow horse world.. love my QH mare.