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  • Critique needed, pretty please

    I am looking at this horse and want to get your thoughts about him. I see a few things at the canter that seem odd.
    He is an 18h TB 10 yrs old.


    Thank you.
    Ms Robin
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    ~No Horses to Slaughter clique~

  • #2
    His canter's funny to the left especially. When I've had ones that come in with a canter like this, they've always had an issue with one limb moving too slowly and causing that almost out of sync movement. A couple have been stone bruises up front, one was pedal osteitis and a few have been either SI or hock issues.

    Something isn't moving at the right time though to cause that look... I'd check out his left hock, it looks like there may be slightly less movement in it than his right. It could be a front end issue with some hind end compensation too. If you vet him, I'd be interested in what his hocks and feet look like. Or he could just move that way and rebalancing him up off his front end could make a world of difference. He's a good boy to the jumps, isn't he?
    Please don't try to be a voice of reason. It's way more fun to spin things out of control. #BecauseCOTH - showhorsegallery


    • #3
      OK I'll bite. Looks like a 4 beat canter, then it's a three, then it's a 4 etc. Hate when I lilke the horse but don't like the rider. Plz say it's not you! This horse looks fun but not getting the best ride/training. Might be totally different with sometime out of the frame, off his forehand, mouth quieter, poll/neck different. Allowed to move forward. Not a bad jump.


      • #4
        Good lord - something is not right with that horse's front left. Very stabby.

        Bless his temperment, but some vet will have a challenge (and his/her child's college tuition paid) with this horse.


        • #5
          agree w goldponies and goodness, that horse is looong and strung out. Rider doing him no favors. Really sweet horse who appears to be willing/able to put up with anything...I like him


          • #6
            He looks a little backsore/hocksore to me. On left lead canter, rider is in seat and pumping-right lead he is in 2 pt. O/f- horse starts quiet but by the video end, rider is riding him like a jumper. Is he being sold as a hunter or jumper?


            • Original Poster

              Thanks to everyone that responded. The rider is definitely not me! I was shocked that they even let him ride for the video. Just watching it worried me to death. lol

              I have not seen him in person as his movement was bothering me. They are asking 8500 for him, which I feel is over priced. His jump is quite nice ,but it is the rest that scares me. Such a shame and the rider seems as though there is nothing wrong. ????
              Ms Robin
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              • #8
                Originally posted by msrobin View Post
                Thanks to everyone that responded. The rider is definitely not me! I was shocked that they even let him ride for the video. Just watching it worried me to death. lol

                I have not seen him in person as his movement was bothering me. They are asking 8500 for him, which I feel is over priced. His jump is quite nice ,but it is the rest that scares me. Such a shame and the rider seems as though there is nothing wrong. ????
                I don't like:

                1) his trot...looked stabby the moment he picked up the trot
                2) the canter: he's either sore or being ridden in a 4 beat canter
                3) his jump...it's m'eh
                4) canter didn't improve with the more forward for jumping
                5) his size...it's just begging for problems, IMO
                6) his feet look tiny in comparison to his size
                7) his price

                I'd pass without a second thought.
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                • #9
                  I just saw this horse on another board(He was listed for $7500 there). I was not thrilled with his canter at all. I could not quite put my finger on it... I'd like to see him with a different rider, but I'm not sure that would be any better.


                  • #10
                    That rider is enormously tall, if that horse is 18 hands the guy has to be 10 feet tall at least.


                    • #11
                      I bet it would be a totally different horse under a different rider. If that is the the horse's regular rider, no wonder the horse looks stiff and jacked up. I couldn't even stand to watch it. The horse is a complete saint to be so quiet under such a tremendous jockey.
                      Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN


                      • #12
                        Conformationally, I don't care for him--long, long back. His rider is, um, not helpful to the overall presentation of the horse. I would like to see him better presented. I didn't see soreness so much as long, strung out and being ridden far to "long and low". But, I'm no expert. He is pretty darn saint-like!
                        Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!


                        • #13
                          In addition I think he's ugly. All long parts strung together and an odd canter.


                          • #14
                            Who knows if he is just bridle lame, given the busy nature of the rider.... or if he's got something going on... Would love to see him with a very quiet rider who really gets him going forward.

                            Though he looks awfully kind and tolerant.
                            We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tidy rabbit View Post
                              I bet it would be a totally different horse under a different rider. If that is the the horse's regular rider, no wonder the horse looks stiff and jacked up. I couldn't even stand to watch it. The horse is a complete saint to be so quiet under such a tremendous jockey.
                              Ditto this. The horse is stuck so far behind the leg it is hard to even get a sense of his true self. I am betting the horse has some soundness issues, but I think the rider is not helping it look sound.

                              Umm yea...that hurt my eyes...
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                              • #16
                                What's his front legs look like up close? Is he over at the knee? Somethings funny about his front legs. YUcK! Rider needs to find another job. He is riding that large horse as though it is a 15 hand QH in a AQHA show. The animal doesn't look right cantering that slow. When he asked for more, he actually got to use his body better. Plus, he needs to lay off his mouth, let him figure out to use himself. Too long of a back for me too. Pass on this guy unfortunately. If you are bent struck on him, have a PPE done and ask for another rider to see if he moves better. Good luck


                                • #17
                                  He looks sweet - but sweet only gets so far. I'm gonna guess this rider is in a very light half seat because he has a sore back and a really uncomfortable canter. He's a big, long horse, with a low set neck and a bit high and straight behind which isn't a great combo. It looks like he has some conformation issues on his front feet as well.

                                  He's a good soul but I'd pass...unless you're willing to do some maintenance stuff when you get him and give him a little time off to help his back end.

                                  Best of luck to you.


                                  • #18
                                    Yikes. It is hard to say about the horse itself, though he looks decent enough (a confo pic would really help). He looks like a real honest sweetheart too, he is trying so hard!! For a 10yo though I am not impressed with his training level and he is definitely over-priced, particularly in this economy. I have found much nicer TB's in the states, many straight off the track with as much (or in this case, little) training as this poor guy, in the $2500 range, even. Do not pay even $7500.

                                    He looks very uncomfortable and/or sore. He also looks like he is being forced into the frame he is in (note how his head keeps popping up and his tail is switching - is that a standing martingale? I cannot seem to quite make it out clearly). The rider keeps correcting his mouth like he is trying to keep reminding the horse where his head should be, rather than focusing on creating the frame through teaching the horse how to better carry himself (through exercises and such) - it looks artificial. He is very on the forehand and is not tracking up really whatsoever. His canter is definitely 4-beat much of the time (freeze frame his movement and note how his inside hind and outside fore are always landing at slightly different times).

                                    I think over the jump he should be tighter and rounder up front, however it is difficult to say how much is him and how much is his rider and his tack (ie. the martingale). He is rushing the fences because he's unbalanced, does not have the power in his hind end, and is tense throughout - you would have some re-training on your hands (I would start with some dressage). I think he could possibly be a cute jumper (he does have nicer form at times, which is why I think his form has a lot to do with his rider), with some re-training though...I definitely would have expected more/better from a 10yo. If you are looking for a project - he is it. However not for that price.
                                    ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
                                    ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.


                                    • #19
                                      This horse is not comfortable in the heels. Expecially the left front. I agree with others here and didn't continue watching beyond the first canter direction.

                                      If you look closely; this horse lands TOE FIRST. it's either his trim or something beyond that.

                                      This will create the appearance of a sore back as well.....

                                      I agree about the rider and the horse is not 18 hands. Sweet horse however....
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                                      • #20
                                        is it just me or does this horse have flippers for front hooves?
                                        there is so much wrong going on, he doesnt look safe or comfortable!
                                        chaque pas est fait ensemble