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  • Hot sires for the hunter ring

    This is a spin-off from the Sporthorse Breeding Forum. There is an interesting thread on sires available with fresh semen (ie, in NA) that produce saleable jumper-bred foals.
    My question is- who are the NA sires that trainers and clients seek out when making their purchases, firstly, of young two year olds, then, secondly, for made hunters? I am thinking of the A circuit.
    Last edited by Sakura Hill Farm; Jan. 16, 2010, 12:00 PM. Reason: typo
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  • #2
    Lots of threads on this issue...do a search.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Go Fish View Post
      Lots of threads on this issue...do a search.

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      • #4
        I think Popeye K, Redwine, Cunningham are marketable. They seem to sell for good money and fast.

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        • #5
          I have to give a vote to Popeye K....I love what he produced for me. Major power but quiet and comfortable. My Oxford filly is also going to be a lovely super moving hunter with a big hindend motor ... a real powerhouse.

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          • #6
            While I like Oxford, I wouldn't call him a hot sire. I like Cunningham and Redwine.

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            • #7
              Additionally, I like Apiro's foals. I imagine if he shows well this winter that will give his popularity a "boost" as well.
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              • #8
                Im not so much for popeye k, a lot of the babies I have seen are less than stellar, don't get me wrong they are nice babies but I think the horse has 25-50% price increase because it is a popeye k baby, quite frankly sometimes I just don't see it.

                I don't have opinions on sires right now, first I look at the horse and then the sire comes secondary. JMO.

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                • #9
                  Popeye K, Balta Czar, Red Wine, A Fine Romance, Romantic Star.

                  I have a horse crush on Romantic Star.
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                  • #10
                    For the riders, trainers and shoppers, do you have certain stallions or bloodlines that you look for in performance Hunter prospects, vs. foals that 'may' grow up to be a hunter or a baby to show on the line?
                    I think the 'other threads' on this topic contain many stallions that are suggested to breed to for a hunter, what I would like to know is which ones are really producing them?

                    The USEF hunter sire feature is a nice tool, but I am sure there are many more horses out there then what those numbers tally.
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                    • #11
                      Relatively few trainers and clients looking for A circuit hunters are interested in two year olds. Most are looking for horses of riding age, because most do not have facilities/programs suitable for babies.

                      You might want to look at the IHF website for info on stallions which participate in the young horse stuff - they focus on producing nice young hunter stock. Personally of the stallions participating in that program I am partial to Jones Hall . That said, I buy individuals - not bloodlines.
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                      • #12
                        A lot of these "hot sires" (Cunningham, Redwine, Apiro, etc) don't have old enough foal crops to be touting them as incredible hunter sires. Sure, their babies are adorable, and certainly, many of them look the part. But until they begin showing in the regular rings, I'm not going to be convinced that they're producing super hunters. Not to suggest people shouldn't breed to them ;c). I wouldn't include Popeye K in this list, as many of his older offspring have been showing for several years at this point with varied success (in large part, due to the varied quality of mares that went to him for a period of time).

                        I would check the USEF Leading Hunter Sires List to learn about stallions who have produced TODAY's winners if you're looking for a more reliable indicator.

                        If I'm not mistaken, Voltaire (Popeye K's sire) has lead this list for several years.
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                        • #13
                          SHF - there are not enough or OLD enough babies to determine with any certainty - for NA standing FRESH semen stallions.
                          I haven't been overly impressed with PK babies (for hunters) I have seen - some as old as 6 - but he covered a LOT of mares in Canada and hard to know what the mare base was like.
                          The horses that PERFORMED or ARE performing at the A circuit level at a USEF recognized level (3'6" or up) have been listed on that SHB thread:
                          Cunningham
                          Apiro
                          Sir Caletto
                          St Nick
                          Carbadino
                          (sure there might be some others - Scott Stewart had one but may be gelded?)
                          I think you will see that all these stallions have strong jumper bloodlines. Whether they will pass on their talents to their offspring, and whether the right mares have been matched to them?? I am waiting to find out myself!!!! And it may be that MARES with strong jumper lines can match up with stallions that are not so strong in that department. But there are simply not that many offspring in the ring of most of these stallions (and other stallions being marketed as HUNTER stallions to know!
                          Have you scrolled down the USEF list of top hunter stallions? You may find some on there not listed above who can be gotten fresh.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by IrishWillow View Post
                            Popeye K, Balta Czar, Red Wine, A Fine Romance, Romantic Star.

                            I have a horse crush on Romantic Star.
                            Ditto!

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                              Originally posted by risingstarfarm View Post
                              Ditto!
                              Isnt he PRETTY? I love him.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Go Fish View Post
                                Lots of threads on this issue...do a search.
                                You clicked on this thread just to be snarky and not add anything???. I like Cunningham,Iroman,and Red Wine. Have to agree about Pk...have not seen too many that I like. I also like Amazing but he does not have any babies on the ground and has not done much himself. I guess he will be showing this year though.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Sakura Hill Farm View Post
                                  My question is who are the NA sires that trainers and clients seek out when making their purchases, firstly, of young two year olds,
                                  We are getting a ton of interest from trainers for Apiro babies and breedings. I have been surprised by it having been unaware as to how many professionals were interested in buying and/or producing young horses. It is two-fold, I think. With the prices to import going up and the Europeans beginning to understand the hunter market a bit better, it is tougher to find the special ones much less at a reasonable price. They also have hunter mares in retirement that become broodmares.

                                  Originally posted by Sakura Hill Farm View Post
                                  then, secondly, for made hunters? I am thinking of the A circuit.
                                  Based on the feedback from the professionals who I have spoken with, Alla' Czar still has a following. Cassini I and Voltaire are always interesting for them. Rio Grande has produced well and Balou du Rouet is on their watch list.

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                                    Originally posted by showjumpers66 View Post
                                    We are getting a ton of interest from trainers for Apiro babies and breedings. I have been surprised by it having been unaware as to how many professionals were interested in buying and/or producing young horses. It is two-fold, I think. With the prices to import going up and the Europeans beginning to understand the hunter market a bit better, it is tougher to find the special ones much less at a reasonable price. They also have hunter mares in retirement that become broodmares.



                                    Based on the feedback from the professionals who I have spoken with, Alla' Czar still has a following. Cassini I and Voltaire are always interesting for them. Rio Grande has produced well and Balou du Rouet is on their watch list.
                                    Thank you, Barbara! This is spot on the kind of reply that I have been searching for---information on what the pros have on their radar! The names may vary between the coasts and among the circuits---I wonder?
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                                    • #19
                                      Those who show those Rio babies will tell you they are very difficult. Talented, yes! But there are stories. Balou is also hot, so again, those of us who travel show to show hear things that may not be politically correct for this board, but it is what it is and if you ask a question, then a response with candor should be appreciated.
                                      Apiro is terrific. None of his babes are in the ring.
                                      The other stallions I mentioned are starting to have babes in the ring.
                                      You asked only about FRESH semen and I thought NA based stallions - Barb mentioned several non NA based stallions.
                                      Voltaire is inconsistent with producing hunters.
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                                        Originally posted by 3Dogs View Post
                                        You asked only about FRESH semen and I thought NA based stallions - Barb mentioned several non NA based stallions.
                                        I did, yes. I just sorted the European-based frozen out. I really am trying to find the NA-based stallions. Rio is dead so frozen only, but I am including him as I would Alla'Czar. That part of my question requires this further refinement.
                                        Last edited by Sakura Hill Farm; Jan. 16, 2010, 12:02 PM. Reason: typo
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