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  • Are you allowed to jump when not in a lesson?

    Can everyone chime in and let me know if your boarding barn allows you to jump when you are not in a lesson? Also, is there a resident trainer? how you would classify your barn (more pleasure or more competitive/showing)? If showing, what type of shows (local, local rated, goes to away shows, goes to Florida, etc)? Thanks.

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    Absolutely no jumping outside of lessons at our barn.
    We have 2 trainers there.
    It is a mix of lesson and showing barn.
    We do local and/or local rated (trillium in Ontario) shows.

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    • #3
      I think most barns have a no jumping except in lessons rule. My current barn does not though, but it is pretty laid back. I know most of the other barns I have been at did not allow you to jump when not in a lesson, or at least with some other form of supervision (parent or ground person). I don't jump my horse a whole lot, usually only once a week, so I try to do it when there is at least another person there just in case.
      Impossible is nothing.

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      • #4
        Barn 1--Big time trainer that hits the A circuit hard. Declares no jumping unless in a lesson. I had been boarding at the barn years before she became the trainer and had always jumped outside of lessons. I protested, jumped when she wasn't around (usually had my mom or friend out to supervise). She was fired in short order for other reasons. I was young and dumb, like 8th grade. Was probably rude/dangerous to have jumped anyway but I did eventing at the time and she was a hunter trainer so it's not like I was ever going to take lessons from her--which would mean no jumping ever.

        Barn 2--Big lesson barn, 100 lessons a week, 4 rings and tons of kiddies running around but also a strong college contingent. They allow jumping alone after the age of 16 or 18. But rules: no jumping when a lesson is going on and try to limit jumping during peak hours (3pm-6pm) when there's lots of young kids in the ring. Logic to the second rule is two fold, don't want to accidentally run into the kids or scare them and don't want to set a bad example--as in don't want the kids to think it's the "cool" thing to do and that they should try too.

        I think most serious show barns do not allow jumping outside a lesson. But since I have ridden and shown without a trainer during my younger years I really feel entitled to this right. When I was a beginner obviously I took lessons but when my trainer quit suddenly I just kept riding without her. I was in 9th grade and jumping 3'6" courses and just went on my merry little way. Would take lessons every now and then and do clinics. When I got to college and bought a new horse started taking weekly lessons. Right now the horse is off in full training with a BNT, who I am fairly certain does not approve of jumping outside of lessons.

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        • #5
          That is so weird, I was thinking about posting a thread asking that same question this afternoon!!

          I have two barns, one at home and one at school. My home barn is very chill, local shows only, and the trainer there allows you to jump outside of lessons if you're over 18- encourages it actually. My school barn is more competition-geared, A shows and all that, and they don't let you jump outside of lessons- ever. I guess it's just a matter of opinion for the trainers.
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          • #6
            We are aloud to jump outside of lessons as long as it's on our own horse. When I started jumping a little every ride is when my horse and I really started to trust each other, and he started getting more confident. There is a trainer. She's also the barn manager. It's a pretty laid back barn. Not a very showy barn because we don't really have anyone that's ready to show(green horses), but I'm going to start going to some shows down in GA this year because my horse is ready.

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            • #7
              Yes we can jump outside of lessons. Not being able to would be a dealbreaker for me as I do not take lessons very often.
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              • #8
                No jumping when not in a lesson. There is one resident trainer (she owns/runs the barn). It is a show barn - horses are expected to be kept in 5-6 rides a week. We compete at shows from BC to Ontario and down the west coast.
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                • #9
                  Just wanted to add, that while I feel jumping outside of lessons is DANGEROUS for young/inexperienced and don't approve of it for children (hypocritical I know)...I know so many riders who have never jumped out of a lesson that really lack the ability to think for themselves. And I feel like free thinking, solve the problem yourself type of skill is really essential to good riding. I don't necessarily think you MUST ride outside of a lesson to develop that skill, but the type of instruction where the trainer constantly coaches every. single. stride. the. whole. course. isn't always a good thing. Yes it is valuable so you can get down to the nitty gritty details and understand exactly what is right, what is wrong, and when to do what...but is it really necessary for every lesson?

                  When you go on course at the show your trainer isn't going to be there to chant "inside leg, outside rein, eyes up, more, sit back" and at some point you should be able to recognize that for yourself. Anyways rant over, proceed to answer the OP's question

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by skyy View Post
                    Can everyone chime in and let me know if your boarding barn allows you to jump when you are not in a lesson? Also, is there a resident trainer? how you would classify your barn (more pleasure or more competitive/showing)? If showing, what type of shows (local, local rated, goes to away shows, goes to Florida, etc)? Thanks.
                    No. It's a liability issue - the BOs insurance company won't allow it.

                    Yes, resident BNT. Very competitive show barn...all rated shows and we do Thermal.

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                    • #11
                      Absoloutely no jumping outside of lessons whether it is your own horse, a leased horse or a lesson horse that you are hacking. We have a large lesson program and boarders that do the A circuit up and down the east coast
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                      • #12
                        No jumping outside of lessons.
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                          To Skip Change-

                          I hear ya! Our policy is to not allow jumping outside of a lesson for a bunch of reasons (insurance being one of them). It is difficult for some of us greener jumpers (me!) to go into the show ring by ourselves, so every so often during a lesson we will play horse show. The trainer will school us over a single vertical/oxer in the indoor and send us to the outdoor to jump the course just like at a show and then we will review. It helps a great deal and teaches us to think for ourselves.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SkipChange View Post
                            Just wanted to add, that while I feel jumping outside of lessons is DANGEROUS for young/inexperienced and don't approve of it for children (hypocritical I know)...I know so many riders who have never jumped out of a lesson that really lack the ability to think for themselves. And I feel like free thinking, solve the problem yourself type of skill is really essential to good riding. I don't necessarily think you MUST ride outside of a lesson to develop that skill, but the type of instruction where the trainer constantly coaches every. single. stride. the. whole. course. isn't always a good thing. Yes it is valuable so you can get down to the nitty gritty details and understand exactly what is right, what is wrong, and when to do what...but is it really necessary for every lesson?

                            When you go on course at the show your trainer isn't going to be there to chant "inside leg, outside rein, eyes up, more, sit back" and at some point you should be able to recognize that for yourself. Anyways rant over, proceed to answer the OP's question
                            I agree. However, for me(and I'm sure other people) jumping outside of a lesson was very important to the training of my horse. Jumping once a week was just not enough for him to be able to gain confidence, and his lack of confidence was preventing us from being able to progress much in lessons. I'm a good enough rider to train a hyper, sensitive horse though.

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                            • #15
                              technically I've seen people jump outside of a lesson, however my trainer has always been on premises. And oftentimes its someone who's tooling around the arena when a lesson is going on (a more advanced rider who is schooling) and asks to pop over a couple of the fences the lesson is doing. Its a fairly laid back barn. However if no one was around, I doubt it would be allowed. Too much liability.

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                              • #16
                                At my barn you may jump outside of lessons 1) if you own the jumps and 2) if you set up and take down your jumps each time that you use them.

                                Trainers are the only people who are allowed to keep their jumps permanently set up and they only allow riders to go over their jumps in lessons.

                                I have only very rarely witnessed someone willing to haul their jumps in, set them up, ride, and then break down the jumps.

                                I think this is a good system.

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                                • #17
                                  I've only boarded at private, primarily adult, "non-show" barns. I can do whatever I please with my horse as long as I'm not causing damage or hurting anyone. I can't imagine paying board and being told that I wasn't allowed to jump my own horse.

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                                  • #18
                                    It's not really allowed where I ride, either. However, not that I'm *exempt* from it, exactly, but exceptions apply. For example, I used to have a pony who got ridiculoudly keyed up when jumping. Trainer suggested incorporating crossrails in his flat work to make it "no big deal" for him, which did help alot. Also, when I've hacked horses for trainer in the past, she's often specifically said "if you want to pop him/her down a couple lines, go ahead."

                                    But, I think she trusts me not to go bounding around 3'6" on my own and trusts my riding ability enough to know I'll be ok.

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                                    • #19
                                      My barn does - with certain caveats. No jumping alone - there must be someone on the premises. I like using practice rides to work on what we did in lessons - and that includes jumping. It's when I get to work on me - positions, hands, etc. Some of my best rides have been when I was "alone". But, then I don't jump big stuff - yet!
                                      And nothing bad happened!

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                                      • #20
                                        Yes, we're allowed, but since I take lessons twice a week I don't. The barn is a mix of h/j and dressage so the jumps are left in the arena only three days a week.

                                        The h/j riders at the barn are A circuit riders, dressage riders seem to be the equivalent.

                                        When my coach goes down to Thermal without me this year ( stupid school) she will be sending me courses and I'll be jumping them alone and letting her know how it goes (hopefully with some videos included). I'm 18 and all the other h/j riders are 17 or older so I'm not sure what they'd do in the case of a younger rider.
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