Originally posted by CuriosoJorge
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Actually , yeah , there are . The fact is a lot of Anglos and Arab/ WB crosses don't LOOK arab at all . I know of one that is Half Arabian / Half Dutch Warmblood...never would have beleived it myself till I saw the papers. If she decides to sell it she plans to market it as a Dutch Cross . ( w/ a very attractive head ! ) -
No, again, I believe the percentage was more like 15%...Originally posted by Astraled View PostA short stride is not a characteristic of the breed.
5% percent of arabian owners show, eh? Isn't that the same percentage of Arabs that are broke to ride
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It depends on the individual horse, but I agree with what has been generally said -- Arabs are not hunter-typey. That said, I have seen Arab ponies be sucessful in children's hunter classes, as long as they didn't LOOK too Arab!
I have an Anglo-Arab, and when he was younger I actually showed him with minor success on the A circuit as a hunter. He has nice gaits and is correct. We weren't in the hunter ring to win though; we were there so that he could learn to lay down a quiet, rhythmic round. When he didn't spook (haha!), we did quite well! However, I always knew he would make a better jumper, and so he has. He is just shy of 15.2 hh, but he can DEFINITELY open up his stride and has no problem covering the distances while staying balanced and light. My trainer was surprised when she started working with us. She expected him to add a stride or have trouble covering ground like his counterparts in classes. He's light on his feet, sits back on his haunches and turns tight, his knees are always even and up, and he HATES touching rails. He rounds over the jumps and stretches his little nose out there. Thank goodness he only flags his tail when turned out and there is a very attractive mare in heat to impress. At a number of barns I've been at they've jokingly called him the "mini Warmblood."
However, I would not call him the norm as far as Arabs or Arab crosses are concerned. He has probably done fairly well because he looks more like a Thoroughbred. But he has great feet like an Arab. He is a handful. Not as much at 15, but as a 5 yr old he was exasperating.Gentleman J - "Junior" - My been-there, done-that jumper
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Milan was AO Hunter Champion 35+ at Washington, and 6th place nationally in 06. His sire, Mont du Cantal, is 35.29% Arabian.Originally posted by CuriosoJorge View Post
Honneur recently won the Adult Amateur Hunter Classic at Lexington and the Adult Amateur Hunter Tournament of Champions. His sire, Ulrik du Logis, is 40.05% Arabian.
And I'm sorry, but a hunter is a hunter, 14 hands or 16 hands. They are judged by the same standards.
Where Arabs get the bad rap is more because of their intelligence...they are too smart for most humans. You don't tie their heads down and expect them keep it there when the martingale comes off. You don't drill them over and over ad nauseum without them taking exception to the abuse. You DO teach them to carry themselves in any balanced frame you want, and they are happy to do it.
As with any breed, some are bred for athletic ability, some for looks, some for brains. It takes all three to make a show hunter that will last and be competitive.
I'll take an Arabian-bred horse any day of the week for trainability, lonngevity, soundness, athletic ability and gorgeous movement/jumping form.Comment
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I am not a hunter rider, so maybe I shouldn't comment...but most arabs I know excel in anything but jumping (mainly dressage). Haven't seen any with good jumping style. My horse for one will NEVER be a jumper...
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I know some that show well on the flat, but that's a bred-specific thing. I haven't seen many at the open shows. I wouldn't mind buying a hunter as a dressage and trail/endurance prospect. However, if you find one that can jump they definitely make beautiful hunters, especially the Spanish, Polish, and Russian bloodlines. They can do just about anything, and definitely like a good challenge.Last edited by cuatx55; Jun. 14, 2007, 07:58 AM.Comment
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Who is he registered with?Originally posted by pegasus44 View Post"It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay
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Well, *I* thought it as funny.Originally posted by Astraled View PostBut it was the set-up to a joke and 5% was funnier
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Your foal is adorable.
What's his breeding?"It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay
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"Um, not really. To be quite honest, I don't know of a single HORSE competing at the AA level that has Arab breeding - open or hidden. "
OK....never thought I'd be defending Arabs as hunters but here goes...
while I agree that they are certainly not sought after for the discipline, I have a LOVELY 6 y/o Anglo Arab mare who was Reserve Champion in the Baby Greens at Gulfport before she came to me....either in '05 or '06. Since we've had her, I've won countless championships at PSJ (competitive local circut shows) horse shows in the hunters from 2'3" to 3'. (Also had a carded judge at one of these shows proclaim that she was the "only nice horse she judged all day."). I've also gotten ribbons in the competitive 3' Pre Greens at the "A" shows, and had a student show her in the older Childrens Hunters at the Aiken Spring AA this spring and get ribbons in big classes.
Soooo....not common, admittedly, but they are out there! I certainly don't go parading around the horse show hollering about her Arab breeding (for obvious reasons if you've read the thread up to this point!), but, as is the case with just about any "non traditional" hunter breed, they ARE out there!Comment
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We have two little Arabs who excels in the hunter ring they both have beautiful strides and carry themselves long and low. Both of them are also bold and typey hunters over fences... My equitaiton horse is a Thoroughbred Arab and we have yet to experience any type of discrimination in the hunter ring in everything from local to rated. So no matter how much hunters say Arabs aren't sought after... if you find the right one then all the power to you. Soooooo its really how well of an eye you have for talented hunter arabs.Attack life it's going to kill you anyways.Comment
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Okay... well my horse competed at Lake Placid, Ocala, Hamptons, and Maclay Regionals... So there's one and he's a Reg. Thoroughbred Arab... I don't hide it because I'm not ashamed of him at all.Originally posted by CuriosoJorge View PostAttack life it's going to kill you anyways.Comment
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Do you mean purebred Arab or Anglo-Arab?Originally posted by TemperTantrum13 View Post"It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay
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He's Anglo but we have a pure who did Ocala back in her day... About 10 years ago.Originally posted by Ghazzu View PostAttack life it's going to kill you anyways.Comment
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Arabs as hunters
What irks me the most about threads like this is that people just dismiss other breeds without any experience with that breed, or limited at best.
arabs are generally small horses and shouldn't be judged because they don't do the big hunter divisions. One does not expect the average little warmblood to clock 'round 4 feet so why diss the small Arab? A well trained and ridden Arab, with the right ability, can be competitive at 3 feet. Of course you all scoff at the lower fences but which divisions at ANY show, have the most entries? Samewith jumpers-50, 60, 70 in the 3' classes and the numbers drop with each 3" the jumps go up!
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You go Peggy AKA- Pegasus44! I will let everyone know how my hunter trial goes this weekend with my purebred HORSE Arab.
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Well, but again and again, Arab and Arab crosses who win *in the hunter ring,* which is what is being discussed, win when they don't have the stereotypical deer jump, flagged tail, and giraffe head that (if one is being honest) a large majority of Arabs seem to have.
This is not a dismissal of a breed, it reflects the reality of what wins in showhunter classes. A Quarter Horse with a huge butt, no topline, built downhill, four beat lopey canter isn't going to win in the traditional (versus HUS) hunter ring either. But a QH who looks and goes like a classic hunter can win. Why is this so difficult for people to understand?
It is undeniable that Arabs are also smart, handy, tough, and good partners- not knowing much about it, it seems to me that they have a total lock on Endurance. But, going back to the rated show world, if you have an Arab or ArabX who doesn't look like a classic hunter, it wont win. If I have a Dutch WB that goes around with its head up by my eyebrows and jumps like a deer, it wont win, either! This isn't about being "fair" to this or that breed, it is about what will win in a highly subjective sport.
My first horse was an Appendix who looked like a heavier version of the classic TB. Great horse- he made up into an amazing 3' B-show ammy horse. We won a lot (in the B shows- he wasn't fancy enough for A's)because he looked the part. Once, however, I was at a show that also had Western divisions, and I was out flatting my guy in the middle of a bunch of WP people. I know I looked ridiculous to them, and they looked ridiculous to me- their horses were not hunter types, and mine, though he was related to their horses, was not a WP type. So had I started whining that my TB-typey Appendix was just as capable of doing WP as their horses, it would have been silly. However, had he been more WP than hunter, I could have been competitive with them.
Again: this is not rocket science, people. An Arab that looks like "an Arab" will not win in good competition amongst other horses, of whatever breed, who look like hunters. Therefore, trying to market an Arab to hunter people is going to be difficult *unless it doesn't look like "an Arab."* Not too hard of a concept, really....You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that won't change its shape. Jets to BrazilComment
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Did you read the entire thread? Because most people said as long as horse goes like a hunter and doesn't let you know it's an Arab, it would be fine. I would call that judging the individual.Originally posted by copper1 View Post
However, looking for an Arab who doesn't go like an Arab could be a very long process. So if you know you want a hunter, why would you waste the time looking at a breed that 99% of the time isn't going to fit the bill? That is the reason most hunters won't look at Arabs. It can be a HUGE waste of time to find that needle in the haystack.
The OP wanted to know if marketing an Arab as a hunter was going to be worth it. The answer, simply is no. You can hardly sell a TB these days in the hunter market...an Arab is even a harder sell than that.
And I would beg to differ about people's experiences with Arabians. Seems they are often the "starter" horse. They are widely available and for little money. They've got 'calendar' appeal and many inexperienced buyers don't understand that some horses are better than others for some disciplines. They just think a horse is a horse, so they bring home Bey al Sheik++ thinking it will make their kid a great first hunter. Sadly, the experience is usually less than stellar...unless they got lucky and found that needle in the haystack.
Edited to say: What foursocks said!Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
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Originally posted by copper1 View Post
To the contrary, I used to show Arabs and actually like them. I can ride them just fine. But that familiarity also convinced me to look elsewhere for a show Hunter at the USEF A rated level. The conformation an Arab would have to have to stay long and low and make a line at 12' or better is simply not what the quality breeders breed for.
You know, the whole argument keeps branching out into percentages of Arab blood in this horse or that...the OP was about PUREBREDS as HUNTERS. After all, the other 50 to 87.5% in the mix was something specifically bred for the job of jumping or to run which usually crosses over into jumping ability and style. Think the rest of it might have had more to do with their actual style as a Hunter then the Arab part? Hunter judges do not care how sweet or smart it is, only look at the style of it's jumps and the way it moves between the fences.
Actually, Hunter people do not care what they are so they do not talk too much about breeding. No attempt to "hide" the breeding on a gelding-it's just that nobody cares. It's all in the performance. So I am sure there is some Arab blood out there through the various WB registries and Anglo Arabs have been popular, and admitted to...but it's the other half that makes them a Hunter.
There are exceptions...but those don't look like Arabs at all...fact you can't tell. Kind of proves the point.When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.
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He is French, so is registered in the French Anglo-Arabian studbook.Originally posted by Ghazzu View PostComment
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