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  • #41
    Coreene patiently sits back and waits for the arrival of the World's Most Famous Low AA Jumper In The World crowd to begin crowing...

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    • #42
      Originally posted by fish View Post
      Originally posted by RugBug View Post
      Well, yes. You must judge every horse individually, but...

      Are you really comparing wins at a local show to being competitive at A shows?

      Since when?? All I did was report on my experience with the 2 half Arabs I've had here: One went to the A shows and did very well. The other only did a couple local h/j shows before specializing in dressage because that's what her owner desired. Period. I wasn't comparing anything, merely reporting that neither of these horses demonstrated any features that would have disqualified them from doing well on the A circuit. I've seen a lot of Arabs and Arab crosses who do conform to the head up/tail up stereotype which is justifiably unwelcome in the hunter (or dressage) ring. Happily these 2 are not among them.
      You are the one who used a part Arab's successes on the local circuit to imply that they can be successful in the As, not me. I'm just saying that there are many horses...WBs, TBs included...that are successful on local circuits who stand an ice cube's chance in hell of being competitive at As.

      In fact, my WBs own Arab qualities (even though there is no discernible Arab influence for at least 6 generations...I haven't spent enough time with his pedigree farther back) would keep him from being competitive at the As even though he is a nice mover and nice enough jumper. He has to fight his natural inclinations in order to go long and low and that tail is never going to stay down without chemical intervention.

      Originally posted by fish View Post
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      I've been in this business for over 40 years and certainly know the difference between local shows and the A circuit. Give me a break-- or has snarkiness become a requirement for posting on these boards?
      If it has, you're doing an excellent job.
      Last edited by RugBug; Jun. 13, 2007, 01:13 PM.
      Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
      Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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      • #43
        Here's another large pony also a purebred that did the big fences and horse distances...


        http://www.starstruckfarms.com/Images/ladynatl.jpeg

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        • #44
          Originally posted by pegasus44 View Post
          Here's another large pony also a purebred that did the big fences and horse distances...


          http://www.starstruckfarms.com/Images/ladynatl.jpeg
          Cute ponies.

          But again, ponies and even jumpers are a different story. Not sure why in the ponies...but jumpers is obvious.
          Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
          Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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          • #45
            Originally posted by CuriosoJorge View Post
            Um, not really. To be quite honest, I don't know of a single HORSE competing at the AA level that has Arab breeding - open or hidden. There are some ponies. Arab characteristics are counter to traditional hunter criteria, so your last sentence doesn't make sense.
            Ever heard of these ponies? All are by AM Lord Elope, a purebred Arabian
            BUGLE BOY
            GOLD COAST
            GREYSTONES LADY WINDSOR
            MURPHY BROWN
            THANK GOODNESS IT'S FRIDAY
            TOBLERONE
            GOOD AS GOLD
            CLEAR AS CRYSTAL
            PAPER DOLL
            TICKLED PINK

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            • #46
              Ever hear of Milan? How about Honneur? Both are A hunters, very very successful and sired by Anglo Arabs, making them at least 25% Arab.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by pegasus44 View Post
                Ever heard of these ponies? All are by AM Lord Elope, a purebred Arabian
                BUGLE BOY
                GOLD COAST
                GREYSTONES LADY WINDSOR
                MURPHY BROWN
                THANK GOODNESS IT'S FRIDAY
                TOBLERONE
                GOOD AS GOLD
                CLEAR AS CRYSTAL
                PAPER DOLL
                TICKLED PINK
                Again, if someone brings up ponies or jumpers, I may just have to roll my eyes. How many times can it be said that for both of those it is different?
                Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                • #48
                  Pegasus,

                  Yes there ARE horses and ponies out there with some arab blood in them that have been successful, but that historically has been the exception rather than the rule (same with pure arabs). The OP was asking if there is a good market for a full blooded Arab in the hunters, and the answer in one word is no. She would have a tough time trying to sell the horse to hunter people.

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                  • #49
                    OP, if the horse is a talented jumper and you want to sell her as such, you'd probably do best trying to sell her to Arab people who jump.
                    Jennifer Walker
                    Proud owner of Capt Han Solo+, Arabian stallion http://www.capthansolo.com
                    Author, freelance writer http://www.authorjennwalker.com

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                    • #50
                      Pegasus, honey, I am VERY familiar with the contributions of Al-Marah Lord Elope to the pony hunter ring. I said HORSES. And no, I have never heard of the 2 horses you mentioned. Where have they been champion, and in what divisions?

                      And your math is wrong. A registered Anglo can be as little as 25% Arab, meaning its offspring could be as little as 12.5% Arab.

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                      • #51
                        If Pegasus is who I think she is, then she knows all about breeding Anglo-Arabs!!!!
                        "Gallop as if you were to die tomorrow, jump as if you were to live forever."

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by pegasus44 View Post
                          Ever hear of Milan? How about Honneur? Both are A hunters, very very successful and sired by Anglo Arabs, making them at least 25% Arab.
                          Actually, it only makes them at least 12.5% Arab.
                          An Anglo-Arab can be 75% TB/25% Arab.
                          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by hunterqueen View Post
                            If Pegasus is who I think she is, then she knows all about breeding Anglo-Arabs!!!!

                            "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                            My CANTER blog.

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                            • #54
                              If you want to see the Arabian influence on the Virginia pony market, you can google Farnley ANISHA for information about that nice little stallion that sired some wonderful ponies.

                              There are a great many Arabians and Arabian crosses which do not work out well for hunters. Just like there are a great many TB's, WB's, QH's, etc. that do not work out well for top hunters.

                              Most of the pony hunters that I KNOW are Arabian or part Arabian are represented as 'Welsh' or 'Welsh' crosses.

                              And for you all that are interested, ask Betty Oare sometime about a gray mare named Rendition that she showed a long time ago. Nice Anglo-Arab mare.

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by mjhco View Post
                                If you want to see the Arabian influence on the Virginia pony market, you can google Farnley ANISHA for information about that nice little stallion that sired some wonderful ponies.

                                There are a great many Arabians and Arabian crosses which do not work out well for hunters. Just like there are a great many TB's, WB's, QH's, etc. that do not work out well for top hunters.

                                Most of the pony hunters that I KNOW are Arabian or part Arabian are represented as 'Welsh' or 'Welsh' crosses.
                                Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                                Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                                  Coreene patiently sits back and waits for the arrival of the World's Most Famous Low AA Jumper In The World crowd to begin crowing...
                                  did you see his article in the Riding! magazine? I think i pulled something from laughing so hard...

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Little Indian View Post
                                    did you see his article in the Riding! magazine? I think i pulled something from laughing so hard...
                                    I was in stitches too....
                                    Keith: "Now...let's do something normal fathers and daughters do."
                                    Veronica: "Buy me a pony?"

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                                    • #58
                                      Just was wondering... IF all of us who have arabs/half-arabs/part-arabs and call them something else to hide their arab-ness for the sake of shows...and Im talking about all the ones that are GOOD at shows and are competitive...if we all started actually being honest about our arab's blood and not telling people "oh...they are welsh-x or some other breed"...think maybe the breed might start getting a better rep than it has since it's sooo taboo to be arab at the moment that no one advertises it even when they are great?

                                      Just a tangent thought there...

                                      And on that note...here is my Arab-X (I just took this picture yesterday afternoon...we decided to "play" a little with him. the jump is 3'6. He's 14.2)
                                      http://www.dotphoto.com/SAN1/17/60/F...7701C9E331.jpg
                                      http://thepaintingpony.com/

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Little Indian View Post
                                        did you see his article in the Riding! magazine? I think i pulled something from laughing so hard...
                                        I nearly peed in my pants!

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by pegasus44 View Post
                                          My purebred Arabian gelding kicked butt for many years at all levels in hunters. He was capable of going long and low and making the distances. Here's a photo

                                          http://www.starstruckfarms.com/Images/sohnjump2.jpg
                                          Very Fancy !!!

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