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  • Off the track shows

    Is there really any interest in this? I know the one in Lexington, Va has been pulling in decent entries, but how interested are people in this? I am asking because our farm trainer and I have been kicking around the idea of offering 3 shows this year just for off the track horses. 4 hunter divisions and 3 jumper divisions all in the same day. Pleasure, 2', 2'6" and 3' divisions. 2-2'3" jumper 2'6" jumper and 2'9-3'0" jumper. Mainly for the green ones that people just need to get out there for experience. These guys really need to be promoted more so less and less end up in kill pens. Thoughts or suggestions please.
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    I would try to go if it were anywhere inside a 2-hr drive. We're lucky to have a good number of well managed schooling shows in the Tryon area, but I'd love to support a show that promoted OTTBs.

    I think the Jockey Club and/or the owners and breeders assoc. should underwrite a circuit like this on a national level. Wouldn't that create a natural market for the horse needing a job as he comes off the track? People go nuts when they have a year end prize to chase-instant demand to absorb that never ending supply.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lesson junkie View Post
      I think the Jockey Club and/or the owners and breeders assoc. should underwrite a circuit like this on a national level. Wouldn't that create a natural market for the horse needing a job as he comes off the track?


      So true!
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      • #4
        Just a comment..We offered two separate divisions (2'6" and 3') for TB hunters at the Old Dominion Horse Show.(Manakin Sabot, Va.) The plan was to build it up and get some good sponsorship and prizes for the classes. One division was recognized by the MHSA for their year end award. We had no entries. Needless to say we feel that the interest may not be significant enough to offer it again or work very hard to get the division beefed up with prize money, awards and sponsors. We are currently working on prize list and class selection and are inclined to leave it out this year. Comment if you would like to participate in this offering or may wish to help in getting the word out about the divisions and perhaps help with procuring sponsorships. We ran it on Sunday. Our 2010 dates are July 20-25. We don't really want to drop it, but need to know that there is actual interest. If you have any interest in supporting this offering please email the show at odhs@comcast.net. Thanks.
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        Mid-Atlantic Equitation Festival,Scholarships and College Fair
        November 11-13, 2016

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          #5
          I did not get a prize list to Old Dominion and would have participated with two of mine. Most of my OTTB's are jumpers as that is what I look for in them. I think if someone could take it upon themselves to list shows that are either exclusively for ex racers or offer classes, it may help fill shows or divisions. Many people are unaware due to lack of advertising. VA Horse Journal, Horse Talk Magazine and Virginia Equestrian offer free listings in the show sections. I think we are going to try a fewthis year and see what kind of response we get as long as I can get the new schooling area excavated in time.
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          • #6
            If there where any closer I would love to take my guy to them. I've always wondered why thoroughbreds don't have their own breed shows, I mean look at all the sucess of Quarter, Paint, Arab, Saddlebred, and Morgan World shows and Congress/Nationals. The breed shows are fun, exciting and have great prizes plus the presitige of winning a World title is great.

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            • #7
              We're blessed to be in an area that has a plethora of shows to choose from. Whether you need a local-yocal, a step-up, or rated show many are well-within an hour's driving distance.

              That said, you may be hard-pressed to find an open suitable weekend that would bring in local folks that would likely be interested in supporting a TB show just because of the saturation.

              Would you go the route of the VHC shows and make it only OTTBs or open to all registered TBs? Just curious. All four in my field are full TBs, but only 2 raced. My sister has four more in her field.

              One positive about the VHC show (at least in this economy) was that the classes were EXTREMELY affordable. Almost ridiculously so. There were no association or nonmember fees to contend with, and the stabling was also reasonable.

              Last year's dates just didn't work for me, but it's on the calendar for this year.

              If you go this route, do you think you could connect with that series and see if you could host qualifying classes kind of like they did with the House Mtn shows? Keep us posted.
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              • #8
                I'm nowhere near you guys, bu if I was I would totally make a point of attending. I'd love to see more shows specifically for Thoroughbreds.
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                • #9
                  What about starting out with just offering some classes in the context of a larger show?

                  I'm now where near you but I would LOVE to be able to enter a TB class. Shoot, I'd even sponsor one locally.
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                  • #10
                    I'd like to go (back) to the track for my next one.

                    I'd be more excited to buy and OTTB if I could find a healthy "affirmative action" set of divisions for this kind of horse.

                    Apparently we need that right about now.

                    It would be great for the Jockey Club if these divisions were sponsored and grown. Perhaps those guys ought to be approached. They do have a problem with disposing of their "purpose bred" horses, even though OTTBs can fill many job requirements. The AQHA really grew its breed and sports by making sure their was a job and a division for every conceivable kind or horse and rider. The JC ought to take note.

                    It would be indirectly good for the H/J world, too. Yes, trainers now making $$ by going to Europe for their clients or buying $$$ WBs at home might resist. But many more people might be lured into the money pit of horse showing if they had a place to show the horse they could afford to buy.

                    Riders might even benefit. We'd make sure people got back to learning the tactful ride TBs require and if the OTTB division included some kind of green or futurity kind of classes, people could be encouraged to seek progress in the form of making up a horse rather than waiting and paying until the racer was completely rebuilt into a packer.
                    The armchair saddler
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                    • #11
                      I would 100% attend with my guy if two requirements were filled.

                      A) 3'+ Hunter Division
                      B) I lived close to VA or there was a show in CA.

                      I love the idea of this show and having a H/J trainer that mainly does re-trains on OTTBs, its a show that my entire barn could basically attend and that my trainer would always have several horses to enter.
                      If only horses would use their athletic powers for good instead of evil. ~ MHM

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                      • #12
                        The Classic Co offered TB classes, but rarely does it fill.
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                        • #13
                          Thats just the issue. If management offers the division exhibitors need to put their money where their mouth is. There are many places to get TB sponsorship from, but putting all that work into a division that won't fill is a real waste of time for management. Sponsors don't really want to sponsor a division with 2 entries. Maybe making the TB division a year end award for the VHSA might help in this part of the world.
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                          Mid-Atlantic Equitation Festival,Scholarships and College Fair
                          November 11-13, 2016

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lesson junkie View Post
                            I think the Jockey Club and/or the owners and breeders assoc. should underwrite a circuit like this on a national level. Wouldn't that create a natural market for the horse needing a job as he comes off the track?
                            Yes.

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                            • #15
                              I'm in south-central PA and am planning to travel with my OTTB to the Lexington VA shows next season. I would be very much interested in attending shows geared towards the OTTB. My goal is to enter my 4yo in the "Back from the Track Hack" at Upperville. It might not be the most cost effective show, as I will be traveling for only 1 class - but I feel the need to support the class and have a little fun along the way!
                              Cindy

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                              • #16
                                Honestly, I wouldn't go out of my way to get these shows. When I first heard about the one at the VHC, I was really interested and it fell on a non-event weekend. But it was obviously geared toward really green horses or lower level horses and I didn't think it offered classes to showcase them past the baby green stage. I would go to one if it was close by, on a weekend I wasn't going to an event, and I had a pretty green OTTB that needed a field trip, but I wouldn't go out of my way for them.

                                Really, I think it is a far better showcase for the OTTBs to have them compete and do well against purpose bred sport horses. When my TB does well at an event I think it means far more that he does well against horses of all types and styles than it would if he did well against a bunch of OTTBs, superb quality ones or not. I would feel the same if we did the hunters, the jumpers, or pure dressage. Just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.
                                Amanda

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                                • #17
                                  I would love to see more classes for TBs - both in the hunters and jumpers! We've gone down to support the OTTB show at the VHC for both of the 2009 shows - and plan to put it on the schedule for 2010. I was very impressed at the quality of the OTTB shows at VHC - impressed enough that as an eventer, I'm willing to put it on my schedule over some much-more-local to us horse trials on the same weekend As someone who only dabbles in the H/J world to cross-train for eventing - and to support these TB classes - I really appreciated that the VHC show was so affordable (as mentioned above!)

                                  I also took my big boy to the TB hunter division at the MHSA/USEF B show at McDonogh yesterday - just to support the fact that they're offering the division (it was my big boy's first rated hunter show, and 2nd hunter show ever...). In spite of the 20 degree temps and 25mph winds (and ice everywhere) I believe there were 8-ish horses in the division...

                                  Personally, as an eventer, I'd prefer more TB jumper classes - but will do my best to support TB divisions at hunter shows to the extent that scheduling and finances allow (won't be doing many rated shows due to the cost though...gotta save money for our primary discipline!)
                                  ~Drafties Clique~Sprite's Mom~ASB-loving eventer~
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                                    Honestly, I wouldn't go out of my way to get these shows. When I first heard about the one at the VHC, I was really interested and it fell on a non-event weekend. But it was obviously geared toward really green horses or lower level horses and I didn't think it offered classes to showcase them past the baby green stage. I would go to one if it was close by, on a weekend I wasn't going to an event, and I had a pretty green OTTB that needed a field trip, but I wouldn't go out of my way for them.
                                    I have to say I was impressed by the quality of horses that showed up at both of the VHC shows...but especially the 2nd one. I think that at the first show over the summer, there were many more greenies and youngsters...but the 2nd one seemed to attract a more experienced set of horses. I think the hunter divisions topped out at 3' but they did offer a 3'7" jumper division - I'd love to see them offer a 3'6" hunter division as well!

                                    Personally, I tried to take my horses to these 2 shows, even if the classes were, in some cases, on the easy side for my boys - to show our support in the hopes that they would continue to host the shows and expand their class offerings
                                    ~Drafties Clique~Sprite's Mom~ASB-loving eventer~
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                                    • #19
                                      YesterCentury

                                      [QUOTE=yellowbritches;4595577

                                      Really, I think it is a far better showcase for the OTTBs to have them compete and do well against purpose bred sport horses. When my TB does well at an event I think it means far more that he does well against horses of all types and styles than it would if he did well against a bunch of OTTBs, superb quality ones or not. I would feel the same if we did the hunters, the jumpers, or pure dressage. Just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.[/QUOTE]

                                      I agree that the best horse ought to win, even in the beauty contest that is the Hunters. In the 1980s, however, the winner was not the WB when all else was equal. People clamored for Non-TB hunter classes. Trainers figured out how to make up the WB (and not coincidentally) lots more TB blood got injected into most WB stud books, and the tide changed.

                                      The point is that there is no ahistorical standard for the hunters and even dressage. So it would be great to have the best horse win at all times.... and he does.... and the winner looks really different every 30 years or so.
                                      The armchair saddler
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                                        #20
                                        I mainly want to offer them for the greenies. I have found that some of the OTTB's in the early stages of showing are just to nervous and high strung to pin really well against seasoned show horses on the local circuit. This would be a venue to get your fresh ones out, compete on a level palying field and set them up for some more serious showing. I've got some amazing ones that are fabulous at home, but once they ship to the first few shows they are tense because they think they are heading for a race. After about 3 or 4 trips to shows, they get into the routine and compete very well against unraced horses and other breeds.
                                        Last I talked to Sally Lamb, she was going to talk to the VTA to see if they could drum up some sponsorship for divisions and make the show very affordable. Maybe offer a VAbred division. We had also talked about using it to gather points for a year end championship tied into the ottb show at VHC, but have not contacted the organizers of that show to see if it would even be a possibility. Sally said if my few shows brought in decent entries, she may offer one or two at her place.
                                        These are all thoughts and ideas and may never come to fruition, my main thought for bringing this up was to see if there was interest.
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