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  • exercises to get a horse off his forehand?

    I have very talented young horse, who has a super scopey jump, but gets very heavy on the forehand. He is 6 y/o but has only been under saddle for a little over a year maybe a year and a half.
    I've been doing a lot of lateral work with him, shoulder/haunches-in/out, turn on the haunches, leg yield, etc. When we do this kind of work he keeps himself together pretty well, but when we start cantering he wants to go down on his forehand so much and really relies on my hands to keep him up. He has no problem jumping 1.1 meter, we've even schooled him up to 1.3 meter and it was no problem, he just doesn't need to jump that big yet...
    I would just really like him to start using his whole body more and get off that forehand.
    Anyone have some good exercises or suggestions?
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    I once took a clinic with a nice austrailian dressage women, I was in the same predicament as you. She suggested trotting down hills because it requires the horse to balance himself over his hocks and rock back to prevent himself from falling down the hill. It worked out great for my horse and I. You could also try bumping him up, just every time he takes the down side of the canter, gently bump his mouth is he is getting to heavy. If he jerks his head up while doing this just bump more gently until you find the medium in between =). Good luck!

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    • #3
      make sure all of the work you are doing is actually getting him off the forehand. All of those exercises can be done on the forehand too. I'm not criticizing. I know because I've done them on the forehand.

      I would say in what ever you are doing - ensure you are sitting in the tack - using your seat and leg to drive the horses hind end underneath and encourage the shoulders up in front. It may feel rough at first, but will get you there.

      While doing that, use cavaletti, all of the good lateral work you are already doing. Trot low fences, gradually raise them over days / weeks - paying special attention to the quality of trot before and after the fence - collected and active, soft in the hand.

      Lots of transitions up and down - all with the hind end engaged and the shoulders light. This is very difficult for a horse so - will not come immediately and will not be consistent until the horse develops the strength and flexibility required to carry and bend those joints.

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      • #4
        Lots of transisitions - 10-20 steps trot then walk 10-20 steps. Do 10 times each way or until light. . . then work in canter transitions as well. Personally I have also had a lot of success with strong runaway types doing canter to trot transitions and then going right to shoulder-in.

        Have you tried a different bridle? Dont know what you ride him in, but some horses just love to sit on those nice smooth loose rings. . . how about a waterford or a dr. bristol?

        Trotting larger jumps, trotting raised cavelletti, up and down hills - all help get them off the front end too.
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        • #5
          I find if you do a lot of trot- halt- trot transitions as well as some backing that it helps immensely. Concentrate on doing them properly, using a lot of leg when going from the halt to the trot.

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          • #6
            I'm in a similar predicament (less the jumping height yet) with my young mare. She's very nice and balanced in her trot work but can get a little pulling at the canter.

            I recently took a lesson where we made a small canter circle in the corner of the ring, using a bearing outside rein to keep her on track and lift her shoulders up and over. My job was to keep the bearing rein, sit up and back, and look over my shoulder about halfway around the circle in front of me. Did this for about four circles, then came out of the cirlce on the short side in a half seat, then let her move foward down the long side before collecting her to start the exercise over again. It really got her up in her shoulders and carrying herself. Exhausted me but improved her canter.

            You'll lose a pulling match with a horse, so make sure that he understands that when you take contact, it means he needs to come up to you. Lots of transitions help with reinforcing this. Make sure that he really is in your outside rein and not just pretending.

            You can also try lunging in side reins and making the circle smaller and then larger again to teach him to really sit underneath himself. Also check your own balance and make sure you're sitting up nice and tall with your shoulders back and square. Really anchor yourself and don't let him drag you up in front of the pommel.

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            • #7
              everytime you ride, do shoulder ins both sides. it engages his backend. intently watch jumper video by George Morris, teaching Beezie Madden. the flatwork is super. watch it tonnes of times.

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              • #8
                Use ground poles in a grid and trot over them...maybe 6 or 7 feet apart-you need to adjust to his stride so have somebody watch from the ground. You want them far enough apart so he is not tempted to jump 2 of them and skip a stride but still close enough to keep his stride compressed.

                Start with just 2. Add more one at a time as you get better at it. DO NOT "help" him. Just sit there-you can post of you want but sitting works best. You are not jumping, remember. Just making his knees and hocks work harder and that should help him develop better balance and carry himself more on the hinney.

                I have done this with colts back when I broke them out for Western and still use it with flatwork. It is a good excercise.
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                • #9
                  I recall someone posting this bit of advice on a previous thread and found it quite helpful.
                  Get a working walk. A REAL working walk, with haunches swinging and loose shoulder movement, etc etc. Then execute a turn on the haunches, and the second you have completed the last step of the movement, pick up a canter. It probably won't feel very helpful at first, but as your horse gets the hang of the exercise, he will really sit back on his haunches in the canter departure.
                  This really helped my horse work his hind end and helped with his canter departures as well as the canter in general.
                  I forget who posted this origianlly, but whoever it was, you're a genius.
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                  • #10
                    Right now I'm riding a huge (think 18hh) young wb. I'm not sure if this is exactly your problem, but he moves in a way that he just goes long and low sometime to the point of being really heavy. He doesn't like to be packaged up--he gets angry if you mess with him too much, so what my trainer had me doing was at the sitting trot picking a jump and making a really tiny circle around it and then making a figure eight around the jumps in an in and out. Focusing on bending him and making a good quality circle while still going tight around the jump. It really really worked! Then, after a few times where I really felt him rock back and become really light she would have me stop him on a straight line as soon as he became light. Not only were those downward transitions the best and easiest I've ever gotten out of him, but he cantered better than he has before too (i've only ridden him 4x, but still, it was drastic lol)
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                    • #11
                      All of the exercises mentioned will help with your issue.

                      What you are talking about is a lack of balance. I would suggest working on balance through impulsion as well. This can be done at the walk, trot and canter.

                      A simple exercise is to ask your pony to walk with as much pace as is possible without breaking into a trot. The whole time applying hand pressure, just the closing of your hand, until he finds that balance. When he has achieved it lessen the hand pressure so that he knows he is doing what you want, a little reward for doing it right.

                      This is also an excellent lesson for the rider to learn where the balance is with a particular horse.

                      You can do the same thing with the trot and canter once you get the feel through the walk.

                      Figure eights at the canter help a bunch as a horse has no choice but to step under when cantering on a proper turn. However it will only be temporary if you do not teach him where he needs to be consistently.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rossco View Post
                        everytime you ride, do shoulder ins both sides. it engages his backend. intently watch jumper video by George Morris, teaching Beezie Madden. the flatwork is super. watch it tonnes of times.
                        Where is this video? I tried looking on youtube, but I can't find it.

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                        • #13
                          i got mine from Dover Saddlery. it is from the ShowJumperClinic.com series, George Morris assisting Beezie Madden riding On Light, holsteiner gelding, training 1.4 meters. it is over 30 minutes of wonderful insight, of which i watch over and over to reinforce my training. each time i see something new and good, and i practise what they teach in every single ride. it has paid off for me, after purchasing a huge Hanovarian 18.2h, then out of shape, and alwasy on the forehand due to uncondiditoned back end. so much so he did a little "hop" into the trot transistion :-) i could barely jump him over a crossrail without a huge lurch on his part, now we happily fly over 4' courses at home with his newly condiditoned back end. life is very different now and is great!

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                            Thank you! I'm so excited to try these out
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                            • #15
                              My trainer recommends spiral in and spiral out circles at the trot to engage the back end and lighten the front end.

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