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  • Old-Timers Garden Memories

    I've leaned on you all before, but I'm writing a book and I'd love to hear from anyone who remembers:

    1. Seeing Snowman compete
    2. Seeing Snowman retire
    3. The night that Trail Guide fell at the Garden and had to be put down in the ring.

    Any old-timer memories of the indoor circuit-- 1962 or prior.

    THANK YOU!
    The perfect book for the perfect time...--Rita Mae Brown

    The Eighty Dollar Champion: Snowman, the Horse that Inspired a Nation Coming from Ballantine, September, 2011.

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    I saw Snowman retire.
    Janet

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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    • #3
      In case you weren't aware SI article with bit about Trail Guide's demise

      better description in this newspaper article
      Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
      Sam: A job? Does it pay?
      Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
      Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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        #4
        These are great! Thank you so much!
        The perfect book for the perfect time...--Rita Mae Brown

        The Eighty Dollar Champion: Snowman, the Horse that Inspired a Nation Coming from Ballantine, September, 2011.

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        • #5
          There is a brief section about the National HS at the Garden in the autobiography "No Job For A Lady," by M. Phyllis Lose - it would have been in the 1950s, I think.

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          • #6
            I used to see Snowman all the time after he was retired. I was frequently at Hollandia Farm for horse shows and usually ended up strolling by his stall. He was very ordinary looking to say the least, you wouldn't have given him a second look if you didn't know who he was.

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              #7
              Originally posted by vacation1 View Post
              There is a brief section about the National HS at the Garden in the autobiography "No Job For A Lady," by M. Phyllis Lose - it would have been in the 1950s, I think.
              Thank you! I'm not familiar with the book, but I'll look it up right away.
              The perfect book for the perfect time...--Rita Mae Brown

              The Eighty Dollar Champion: Snowman, the Horse that Inspired a Nation Coming from Ballantine, September, 2011.

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              • #8
                Books: http://www.amazon.com/Story-Snowman-...0293911&sr=8-5

                http://www.amazon.com/SNOWMAN-Ruther...0294010&sr=8-1

                You can contact Harry Deleyer himself at:

                Nederland Farm
                Dyke, Virginia 22935
                434-985-4174

                He might still have some video available from that era. Maybe if you offer to put it on youtube he might send you a tape.

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                • #9
                  Clarence, there was no video in those days. We did have "movies" that were on reels and you needed a projector to watch them.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BAC View Post
                    Clarence, there was no video in those days. We did have "movies" that were on reels and you needed a projector to watch them.
                    They can probably be converted to DVD without too much trouble.
                    Roseknoll Sporthorses
                    www.roseknoll.net

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                    • #11
                      Oh. What about those videos of the d'inzeo brothers on youtube? There is lots of old stuff online. Maybe mr. Deleyer has some video of Dutch Crown then. Or he had some reels put on tape.
                      I sometimes forget about all the technological advances that have taken place the last 30 some years.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Clarence View Post
                        Books: http://www.amazon.com/Story-Snowman-...0293911&sr=8-5

                        http://www.amazon.com/SNOWMAN-Ruther...0294010&sr=8-1

                        You can contact Harry Deleyer himself at:

                        Nederland Farm
                        Dyke, Virginia 22935
                        434-985-4174

                        He might still have some video available from that era. Maybe if you offer to put it on youtube he might send you a tape.
                        Thank you so much! I'm happy to report that I've been able to interview Harry a number of times and I've actually got a copy of some old footage......

                        I'm a former West Coast rider, and too young to have seen any of this stuff, so the more impressions I can get from people who were actually there, the better off I am. Would like the book to be as accurate as possible in recreating the era.

                        I'm especially interested in what it felt like to be sitting in the stands... so if anyone has memories like that, I'd love to hear them.

                        The perfect book for the perfect time...--Rita Mae Brown

                        The Eighty Dollar Champion: Snowman, the Horse that Inspired a Nation Coming from Ballantine, September, 2011.

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                        • #13
                          Could you put that old footage on youtube? I would love to see some!

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                          • #14
                            I promise you there was NO One in the seats with dungarees on. You were always well dressed and in the evenings the Ladies wore all there fineries and the men had on their Tux's, Top hats etc. It was the social event of the season for the horse people. And the Garden was sold out all the time. Except for general admission but then you could only stand in the walk around that went around the edge of the ring. In front of all the Box seats. What fun those days were. Wish we could go back !!

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                            • #15
                              Elizabeth, I attended the show approx. 11 years in a row and competed there in hunters and equitation. We shared a box with the Steinkraus family. I would be happy to try to answer any questions if you want to PM me.
                              Roseknoll Sporthorses
                              www.roseknoll.net

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                              • #16
                                No no. Such information should not be done through PMs. Don't you think we would like to hear what you have to say? :-)

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Clarence View Post
                                  Could you put that old footage on youtube? I would love to see some!
                                  I'd have to get permission.
                                  The perfect book for the perfect time...--Rita Mae Brown

                                  The Eighty Dollar Champion: Snowman, the Horse that Inspired a Nation Coming from Ballantine, September, 2011.

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                                  • #18
                                    Would you mind asking? I would really appreciate it.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by YankeeLawyer View Post
                                      They can probably be converted to DVD without too much trouble.
                                      You'd be surprised how much trouble those old 8mm and super 8s are to convert. We have hours and hours of home movies from the 50s to 70s, even one from the late 30s of my grandfather at 18 and his family. We have footage of things like my grandparents' honeymoon in the 50s and my mom as a little girl, and I desperately want to convert them to DVD. I definitely will hopefully sooner rather than later, but I was told by the guy at the camera shop that the film has to be converted to VHS first and then to DVD, so it is not cheap. Maybe soon they'll figure out how to convert it directly to DVD, or maybe they already have but it's not widely available yet.

                                      This sounds like it's going to be a very interesting book please let us know when it is finished!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Roxy SM View Post
                                        You'd be surprised how much trouble those old 8mm and super 8s are to convert. . . I was told by the guy at the camera shop that the film has to be converted to VHS first and then to DVD, so it is not cheap.
                                        You're right, its not an easy thing to do. A couple of years before she died, my mother took a bunch of old home movies and had them converted to VHS, and gave my sisters and me each one for Christmas. This was before the days of DVD, but now I should do that to preserve those memories.

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